Xenosaga

Shion is a bit of an unlikeable c**t.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And that's what makes her an excellent character.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well she's hot so it's all forgiven since beauty is everything

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know if I'd say excellent, but she's a character, alright.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She is the best written female character in video games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All of Xenosaga's female characters (all of its characters in general really) are well written. None of them are stereotyped, the fact that game journos were calling Shion and KOS-MOS "feminist fails" because Shion cries and shows emotion was a prophet vision of what was to come.
        Sweep away genuinely interesting feminine archetypes, replace with man with breasts.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          KOS-MOS and Momo are pretty stereotypical. It's just Shion that's unusual

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The reincarnated soul of a dead prostitute in a machine form grappling with the reality of her failure to protect her best friend is stereotypical?

            MOMO, sure. KOS-MOS though I think has more nuance than people give her credit for, especially at the end. Much of her arc is obscured in the backstory. Juli is similarly interesting in a subtle but powerful way as well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They're good because they're unlikable buttholes who never get better and just shit up the game!!!
      >By the way, villains are my favorite characters
      Found the westoid

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too realistic.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's astonishing how well the graphics and effects hold up, especially on the comparatively weak to the competition ps2.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's literally the worst, most unlikable c**t main character in all of JRPGs
    And funny because she's also written to be what every incel thinks women actually are

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope troony. Just because (Yyoy) (a male) aren't like this, despite pretending to be a woman doesn't mean real women aren't like this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shion is utter garbage.
        Other characters in the same series like Ziggy & Jin have gone through similar trauma yet don't act like a c**t to everyone

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ziggy & Jin have gone through similar trauma
          Not even close.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shion's trauma was during her formative years where neurotic disorders are more likely to be deeply ingrained in behavioral patterns throughout the rest of one's life.
          Ziggy and Jin were both adults when they experienced their traumas, and coped differently as a result. Ziggy shut down and fled from his humanity similarly to Shion, but had an open enough of a heart to attach himself to MOMO and Juli. Jin tried his best but lacked the stomach to be emotionally transparent. Shion just went batshit and spent most of her adult life in a disconnected trance interrupted by explosive tantrums.
          source: I smoke weed and read psychoanalysis papers

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon but I think there's still more entertaining ways to write traumatized characters than making them a c**t.
            Note I didn't say "better written". I said more entertaining. At the end of the day this is a game, if people don't like the main character that's a failure on the writer. YIIK and Tales of the Abyss suffer from the same problem.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the game I was looking for the punch in the face button.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shion and kosmos being way less interesting then fei and elly on both the immediate personaity level and the higher stakes crazy twists and anime melodrama level is the single biggest mistake saga made over gears

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She was instrumental in me developing a pantyhose fetish and I wouldn't have gotten into XS1 without her so it's ok.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why did she keep getting worse in every game

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I actually love Shion in Episode I. She comes off as a cute nerdy girl who's autistic about her creation. She has moments where she has attitude but even when she's being selfish, it comes off as caring a lot about KOS-MOS which makes it easier for the player to take her side because yeah I want the cute protagonist and the hot deuteragonist to stay in my party. In Episode 2 or 3 they got rid of her nerdy appeal and when she has attitude it's misdirected, like she throws tantrums at other party members. It feels like a completely different character and the character design change doesn't help. And I disagree with "Well it's realistic!" or "It's character development!" There are ways to tell Shion's story without being her a c**t.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she was the biggest c**t in episode 1

      >Alan shows remorse over what is seemingly their friends/coworkers getting BTFO by gnosis
      >Shion compares it to spilled milk

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fair enough. I always though Alan was annoying so I'm biased. Honestly I think the series would've been better without him, he only does one useful thing in the entire series and it's when he gets Shion back at the end of the Ep3, which can easily be rewritten.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also
        >KOS-MOS gives emotionally indifferent response to Shion's situation, since she's almost 100% certain to be rescued
        >Shion responds by immediately jumping straight to a threat of murder-suicide of Allen and herself to get her way

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          100% justified

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The moments where Shion is being 100% psychopathic are the moments when I like her the most.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kino

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's nothing wrong with that scene, that's just Shion being smart. Like anons who use AI and tricking them into drawing something lewd even though they're programmed not to.
          Do you think she's upsetting KOS-MOS's feelings or something?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's more thematic than anything. Her willingness to jump to suicide as a first option (while dismissing Allen's feelings) is foreshadowing for how her neurosis works. It's part of the theme of the game: she retreats from life at the expense of others to get what she desires. If she has to kill herself and everyone else, so be it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >anon posts her one cool moment

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >like she throws tantrums at other party members.
      This happens in the first hour of the first game.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So we having xenosaga HD or not?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just play upresed on PCSX2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hopefully not, I'd hate to see what troontendo would do to it now. Just run it in an emulator (the undub version so you don't need to deal with the voice actors changing on the 2nd fricking game).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bamco owns Xenosaga. And considering they refused to do anything with the .hack IP while Sword Art Online was at its peak of popularity and CyberConnect2 was begging them to let them work on it, I doubt they give enough of a shit to bring Xenosaga back.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    built for gnosis wiener

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That’s not the real Shion tho

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She looks super cute here, seeing this art in an ad in Gamepro got me to buy the game

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m playing through episode 1 for the first time does Momo ever get good? Some of her stronger attacks do literally nothing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. It's KOS-MOS that gets a massive buff when she unlocks X-Buster. Her, Shion and either chaos or Ziggy are probably the best team in the first game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Her transformations give her magic caster, one of the best moves in the game. Also, build her solely for Ether and stick her into an agws with the biggest laser gun you can find. You've won the game.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll gladly take Shion over your average blandass JRPG hero
    She's the best protagonist in the entire Xeno series

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought people forgot about this series after xenoblade. Honestly frick xenoblade it was trash.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every single Xenoblade games have individually outsold the entire Xenosaga franchise, including the VN spin-off and the DS game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >more sales = more better!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, because sales are art.
          By your logic Fifty Shades is a literary masterpiece and Kanye West is better than the whole of western European classical canon.

          Tendies being absolutely desperate to claim the fisher price tablet has it's own exclusive jrpgs and that their good does not mean they are actually good.

          You had grown men buying a fricking children game (mario wonder) were 99% of it is hold right

          You fricking morons, I didn't say the games were better. The post I'm replying to said
          >I thought people forgot about this series after xenoblade.
          It is evident that the best selling games in the series will cause more awareness of the series, not less. It is equivalent to saying "I thought people forgot about Legend of Zelda after Breath of the Wild." It's just moronic to say even if you dislike the game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, because sales are art.
        By your logic Fifty Shades is a literary masterpiece and Kanye West is better than the whole of western European classical canon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tendies being absolutely desperate to claim the fisher price tablet has it's own exclusive jrpgs and that their good does not mean they are actually good.

        You had grown men buying a fricking children game (mario wonder) were 99% of it is hold right

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Xenosaga 1 sold over a million copies …

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That isn't an indicator of a better game.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          See

          [...]
          [...]
          You fricking morons, I didn't say the games were better. The post I'm replying to said
          >I thought people forgot about this series after xenoblade.
          It is evident that the best selling games in the series will cause more awareness of the series, not less. It is equivalent to saying "I thought people forgot about Legend of Zelda after Breath of the Wild." It's just moronic to say even if you dislike the game.

          The average IQ on this site has really went down in recent years

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xenoblade is infinitely better but that doesn't mean we won't talk about xenosaga

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Current schizo theory after the 3 DLC is that the next game will link to Xenosaga, I know 2 people that started the series because of it

      Tendies being absolutely desperate to claim the fisher price tablet has it's own exclusive jrpgs and that their good does not mean they are actually good.

      You had grown men buying a fricking children game (mario wonder) were 99% of it is hold right

      Xenoblade predates the switch ESL kun

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Current schizo theory after the 3 DLC is that the next game will link to Xenosaga, I know 2 people that started the series because of it
        I fricking hope not. Xenosaga and Xenogears should stand far, far apart from blade. They represent an entirely different Takahashi and were targeted at a different age bracket altogether.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's most likely going to remake Xenoblade X (A la Definitive Edition but more extensively) and use it to springboard a Xenoblade version of Xenosaga, I mean, the whole thing is ripe for it and the 3 DLC namedrops the Earthlife Colonization Project.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me? It's Pellegri.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Correct.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >its nothing

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's the worst Xeno protag by far and the fact that she got three fricking games is a travesty.
    Melia>Fei>Shulk>Matthew>Noah>Rex>Addam>Elma>dog shit>Shion

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is legit the weirdest fricking tier list I've ever seen from a xenotard. Good job.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like to imagine Allen turns her into a submissive and compliant little cum dumpster during the journey to Lost Jerusalem. You just know she's into that s&m shit.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be cool to re release the series. I really don't want to dish out for an old ps2.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Schizo tier video game character.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wanna hear my recordings?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Aye.
          I hope it's the treasure chest opening one.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Shion is a bit of an unlikeable c**t.
    It's the English VA and script, as usual. Allen is also less of a b***h in the JP

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My Xenosaga rewrite (I have no intention on writing it better, I just want the game to be more entertaining)
    >Kevin is a woman instead and never dated Shion but Shion admired her and saw her as the perfect woman, idolizing her to a point she tries to imitate her and do everything like her. Incidentally Shion is a virgin (and will remain so).
    >Allen doesn't exist (worthless character).
    >Instead of Shion being a c**t she just just copes by LARPing as femKevin and being a workholic obsessed with KOS-MOS. Having KOS-MOS taken away from her causes her visceral despair as it's the only thing she has in life + it's her connection to her dead idol femKevin.
    >I'd change her relationship with Jin a bit, maybe he sees her obsession with KOS-MOS has unhealthy and in response she's angry at him for wanting to take away the only thing she loves.
    >When femKevin comes back as a Testament she's a hot dominant villainess instead of a nerdy abusive ex-boyfriend.
    Feel free to call me a homosexual.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're not a homosexual, but I do think you are mentally ill and should seek out a Jungian psychotherapist immediately.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I already have a therapist, it's called the gym.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shion has a hairy pussy and butt btw

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Want to play saga
    >Shit laptop can't run episode 1 without slowdowns
    I just want more takahashikino.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same here
      >ggggggooooooooooddddd mmmmooooooorrrrrrrnnnnnniiiiiinnnnnnggggggg KKKKOOOOOOSSSSSS-MMMMMOOOOOSSSSSSS.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's not many of us left... are there?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's board for you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah yes. The retirement center.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've had good times there. It's slower, but that's to be expected. Good thing is that threads won't autosage until they hit 14 days old, so you can keep your topic bumped for a while.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only place left where you even have a chance of discussing a non-FotM game is the retirement center. The jannies let this board turn into blue /b/ to the point where we’re completely overrun by bots and moronic normies, to the point where you can post iPhone filenames and twitter screencaps all day long and hardly anyone will call it out anymore

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First game was good. I liked it better than 2. I never got 3 because it was always hard to find.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2 is considered to be awful by everyone so that's not surprising

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3 is the best but the end ...
      ...
      ...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The blue light at the end of FR was Shion and Allen's ship

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People theorize it's Kos-Mos.
          Most likely it's just A, Shulk and Rex returning to Earth after becoming the avatars of the world in FR.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >realizing why kos-mos shoots vergil

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only ever played Xenosaga 1 as a kid (couldn't find the other episodes at my local game stores) I've heard that it got worse, but I enjoyed my time with 1 from what I remember. Did it get bad enough to just ignore or something? I also heard it was supposed to be a hexology, but had to be cut by episode 3.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      episode 3 is significantly better than 1 (and 2)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everybody said 2 is bad and 3 is better than 1.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3's quite good for the most part, but 2 is such trash that a lot of people don't make it through.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2 is such trash that a lot of people don't make it through
        Indeed. Still have yet to play 3.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't even really cut to 3 episodes because Episode 1 ended up unfinished and Episode 2 is just finishing what was originally going to be Episode 1, then Episode 3 was completely changed since they were ending the series there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3 is great
      >I also heard it was supposed to be a hexology, but had to be cut by episode 3
      Pic related

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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