All of Xenosaga's female characters (all of its characters in general really) are well written. None of them are stereotyped, the fact that game journos were calling Shion and KOS-MOS "feminist fails" because Shion cries and shows emotion was a prophet vision of what was to come.
Sweep away genuinely interesting feminine archetypes, replace with man with breasts.
The reincarnated soul of a dead prostitute in a machine form grappling with the reality of her failure to protect her best friend is stereotypical?
MOMO, sure. KOS-MOS though I think has more nuance than people give her credit for, especially at the end. Much of her arc is obscured in the backstory. Juli is similarly interesting in a subtle but powerful way as well.
>They're good because they're unlikable buttholes who never get better and just shit up the game!!! >By the way, villains are my favorite characters
Found the westoid
She's literally the worst, most unlikable c**t main character in all of JRPGs
And funny because she's also written to be what every incel thinks women actually are
Shion's trauma was during her formative years where neurotic disorders are more likely to be deeply ingrained in behavioral patterns throughout the rest of one's life.
Ziggy and Jin were both adults when they experienced their traumas, and coped differently as a result. Ziggy shut down and fled from his humanity similarly to Shion, but had an open enough of a heart to attach himself to MOMO and Juli. Jin tried his best but lacked the stomach to be emotionally transparent. Shion just went batshit and spent most of her adult life in a disconnected trance interrupted by explosive tantrums.
source: I smoke weed and read psychoanalysis papers
Not that anon but I think there's still more entertaining ways to write traumatized characters than making them a c**t.
Note I didn't say "better written". I said more entertaining. At the end of the day this is a game, if people don't like the main character that's a failure on the writer. YIIK and Tales of the Abyss suffer from the same problem.
shion and kosmos being way less interesting then fei and elly on both the immediate personaity level and the higher stakes crazy twists and anime melodrama level is the single biggest mistake saga made over gears
I actually love Shion in Episode I. She comes off as a cute nerdy girl who's autistic about her creation. She has moments where she has attitude but even when she's being selfish, it comes off as caring a lot about KOS-MOS which makes it easier for the player to take her side because yeah I want the cute protagonist and the hot deuteragonist to stay in my party. In Episode 2 or 3 they got rid of her nerdy appeal and when she has attitude it's misdirected, like she throws tantrums at other party members. It feels like a completely different character and the character design change doesn't help. And I disagree with "Well it's realistic!" or "It's character development!" There are ways to tell Shion's story without being her a c**t.
Fair enough. I always though Alan was annoying so I'm biased. Honestly I think the series would've been better without him, he only does one useful thing in the entire series and it's when he gets Shion back at the end of the Ep3, which can easily be rewritten.
Also >KOS-MOS gives emotionally indifferent response to Shion's situation, since she's almost 100% certain to be rescued >Shion responds by immediately jumping straight to a threat of murder-suicide of Allen and herself to get her way
There's nothing wrong with that scene, that's just Shion being smart. Like anons who use AI and tricking them into drawing something lewd even though they're programmed not to.
Do you think she's upsetting KOS-MOS's feelings or something?
That's more thematic than anything. Her willingness to jump to suicide as a first option (while dismissing Allen's feelings) is foreshadowing for how her neurosis works. It's part of the theme of the game: she retreats from life at the expense of others to get what she desires. If she has to kill herself and everyone else, so be it.
Hopefully not, I'd hate to see what troontendo would do to it now. Just run it in an emulator (the undub version so you don't need to deal with the voice actors changing on the 2nd fricking game).
Bamco owns Xenosaga. And considering they refused to do anything with the .hack IP while Sword Art Online was at its peak of popularity and CyberConnect2 was begging them to let them work on it, I doubt they give enough of a shit to bring Xenosaga back.
Not really. It's KOS-MOS that gets a massive buff when she unlocks X-Buster. Her, Shion and either chaos or Ziggy are probably the best team in the first game
Her transformations give her magic caster, one of the best moves in the game. Also, build her solely for Ether and stick her into an agws with the biggest laser gun you can find. You've won the game.
Yeah, because sales are art.
By your logic Fifty Shades is a literary masterpiece and Kanye West is better than the whole of western European classical canon.
Tendies being absolutely desperate to claim the fisher price tablet has it's own exclusive jrpgs and that their good does not mean they are actually good.
You had grown men buying a fricking children game (mario wonder) were 99% of it is hold right
You fricking morons, I didn't say the games were better. The post I'm replying to said >I thought people forgot about this series after xenoblade.
It is evident that the best selling games in the series will cause more awareness of the series, not less. It is equivalent to saying "I thought people forgot about Legend of Zelda after Breath of the Wild." It's just moronic to say even if you dislike the game.
Yeah, because sales are art.
By your logic Fifty Shades is a literary masterpiece and Kanye West is better than the whole of western European classical canon.
Tendies being absolutely desperate to claim the fisher price tablet has it's own exclusive jrpgs and that their good does not mean they are actually good.
You had grown men buying a fricking children game (mario wonder) were 99% of it is hold right
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You fricking morons, I didn't say the games were better. The post I'm replying to said >I thought people forgot about this series after xenoblade.
It is evident that the best selling games in the series will cause more awareness of the series, not less. It is equivalent to saying "I thought people forgot about Legend of Zelda after Breath of the Wild." It's just moronic to say even if you dislike the game.
The average IQ on this site has really went down in recent years
Current schizo theory after the 3 DLC is that the next game will link to Xenosaga, I know 2 people that started the series because of it
Tendies being absolutely desperate to claim the fisher price tablet has it's own exclusive jrpgs and that their good does not mean they are actually good.
You had grown men buying a fricking children game (mario wonder) were 99% of it is hold right
>Current schizo theory after the 3 DLC is that the next game will link to Xenosaga, I know 2 people that started the series because of it
I fricking hope not. Xenosaga and Xenogears should stand far, far apart from blade. They represent an entirely different Takahashi and were targeted at a different age bracket altogether.
He's most likely going to remake Xenoblade X (A la Definitive Edition but more extensively) and use it to springboard a Xenoblade version of Xenosaga, I mean, the whole thing is ripe for it and the 3 DLC namedrops the Earthlife Colonization Project.
She's the worst Xeno protag by far and the fact that she got three fricking games is a travesty.
Melia>Fei>Shulk>Matthew>Noah>Rex>Addam>Elma>dog shit>Shion
I like to imagine Allen turns her into a submissive and compliant little cum dumpster during the journey to Lost Jerusalem. You just know she's into that s&m shit.
My Xenosaga rewrite (I have no intention on writing it better, I just want the game to be more entertaining) >Kevin is a woman instead and never dated Shion but Shion admired her and saw her as the perfect woman, idolizing her to a point she tries to imitate her and do everything like her. Incidentally Shion is a virgin (and will remain so). >Allen doesn't exist (worthless character). >Instead of Shion being a c**t she just just copes by LARPing as femKevin and being a workholic obsessed with KOS-MOS. Having KOS-MOS taken away from her causes her visceral despair as it's the only thing she has in life + it's her connection to her dead idol femKevin. >I'd change her relationship with Jin a bit, maybe he sees her obsession with KOS-MOS has unhealthy and in response she's angry at him for wanting to take away the only thing she loves. >When femKevin comes back as a Testament she's a hot dominant villainess instead of a nerdy abusive ex-boyfriend.
Feel free to call me a homosexual.
I've had good times there. It's slower, but that's to be expected. Good thing is that threads won't autosage until they hit 14 days old, so you can keep your topic bumped for a while.
The only place left where you even have a chance of discussing a non-FotM game is the retirement center. The jannies let this board turn into blue /b/ to the point where we’re completely overrun by bots and moronic normies, to the point where you can post iPhone filenames and twitter screencaps all day long and hardly anyone will call it out anymore
I only ever played Xenosaga 1 as a kid (couldn't find the other episodes at my local game stores) I've heard that it got worse, but I enjoyed my time with 1 from what I remember. Did it get bad enough to just ignore or something? I also heard it was supposed to be a hexology, but had to be cut by episode 3.
It wasn't even really cut to 3 episodes because Episode 1 ended up unfinished and Episode 2 is just finishing what was originally going to be Episode 1, then Episode 3 was completely changed since they were ending the series there.
And that's what makes her an excellent character.
well she's hot so it's all forgiven since beauty is everything
I don't know if I'd say excellent, but she's a character, alright.
She is the best written female character in video games.
All of Xenosaga's female characters (all of its characters in general really) are well written. None of them are stereotyped, the fact that game journos were calling Shion and KOS-MOS "feminist fails" because Shion cries and shows emotion was a prophet vision of what was to come.
Sweep away genuinely interesting feminine archetypes, replace with man with breasts.
KOS-MOS and Momo are pretty stereotypical. It's just Shion that's unusual
The reincarnated soul of a dead prostitute in a machine form grappling with the reality of her failure to protect her best friend is stereotypical?
MOMO, sure. KOS-MOS though I think has more nuance than people give her credit for, especially at the end. Much of her arc is obscured in the backstory. Juli is similarly interesting in a subtle but powerful way as well.
>They're good because they're unlikable buttholes who never get better and just shit up the game!!!
>By the way, villains are my favorite characters
Found the westoid
Too realistic.
It's astonishing how well the graphics and effects hold up, especially on the comparatively weak to the competition ps2.
She's literally the worst, most unlikable c**t main character in all of JRPGs
And funny because she's also written to be what every incel thinks women actually are
Cope troony. Just because (Yyoy) (a male) aren't like this, despite pretending to be a woman doesn't mean real women aren't like this.
Shion is utter garbage.
Other characters in the same series like Ziggy & Jin have gone through similar trauma yet don't act like a c**t to everyone
>Ziggy & Jin have gone through similar trauma
Not even close.
Shion's trauma was during her formative years where neurotic disorders are more likely to be deeply ingrained in behavioral patterns throughout the rest of one's life.
Ziggy and Jin were both adults when they experienced their traumas, and coped differently as a result. Ziggy shut down and fled from his humanity similarly to Shion, but had an open enough of a heart to attach himself to MOMO and Juli. Jin tried his best but lacked the stomach to be emotionally transparent. Shion just went batshit and spent most of her adult life in a disconnected trance interrupted by explosive tantrums.
source: I smoke weed and read psychoanalysis papers
Not that anon but I think there's still more entertaining ways to write traumatized characters than making them a c**t.
Note I didn't say "better written". I said more entertaining. At the end of the day this is a game, if people don't like the main character that's a failure on the writer. YIIK and Tales of the Abyss suffer from the same problem.
Most of the game I was looking for the punch in the face button.
shion and kosmos being way less interesting then fei and elly on both the immediate personaity level and the higher stakes crazy twists and anime melodrama level is the single biggest mistake saga made over gears
She was instrumental in me developing a pantyhose fetish and I wouldn't have gotten into XS1 without her so it's ok.
why did she keep getting worse in every game
I actually love Shion in Episode I. She comes off as a cute nerdy girl who's autistic about her creation. She has moments where she has attitude but even when she's being selfish, it comes off as caring a lot about KOS-MOS which makes it easier for the player to take her side because yeah I want the cute protagonist and the hot deuteragonist to stay in my party. In Episode 2 or 3 they got rid of her nerdy appeal and when she has attitude it's misdirected, like she throws tantrums at other party members. It feels like a completely different character and the character design change doesn't help. And I disagree with "Well it's realistic!" or "It's character development!" There are ways to tell Shion's story without being her a c**t.
she was the biggest c**t in episode 1
>Alan shows remorse over what is seemingly their friends/coworkers getting BTFO by gnosis
>Shion compares it to spilled milk
Fair enough. I always though Alan was annoying so I'm biased. Honestly I think the series would've been better without him, he only does one useful thing in the entire series and it's when he gets Shion back at the end of the Ep3, which can easily be rewritten.
Also
>KOS-MOS gives emotionally indifferent response to Shion's situation, since she's almost 100% certain to be rescued
>Shion responds by immediately jumping straight to a threat of murder-suicide of Allen and herself to get her way
100% justified
The moments where Shion is being 100% psychopathic are the moments when I like her the most.
Kino
There's nothing wrong with that scene, that's just Shion being smart. Like anons who use AI and tricking them into drawing something lewd even though they're programmed not to.
Do you think she's upsetting KOS-MOS's feelings or something?
That's more thematic than anything. Her willingness to jump to suicide as a first option (while dismissing Allen's feelings) is foreshadowing for how her neurosis works. It's part of the theme of the game: she retreats from life at the expense of others to get what she desires. If she has to kill herself and everyone else, so be it.
>anon posts her one cool moment
>like she throws tantrums at other party members.
This happens in the first hour of the first game.
So we having xenosaga HD or not?
just play upresed on PCSX2
Hopefully not, I'd hate to see what troontendo would do to it now. Just run it in an emulator (the undub version so you don't need to deal with the voice actors changing on the 2nd fricking game).
Bamco owns Xenosaga. And considering they refused to do anything with the .hack IP while Sword Art Online was at its peak of popularity and CyberConnect2 was begging them to let them work on it, I doubt they give enough of a shit to bring Xenosaga back.
built for gnosis wiener
That’s not the real Shion tho
She looks super cute here, seeing this art in an ad in Gamepro got me to buy the game
I’m playing through episode 1 for the first time does Momo ever get good? Some of her stronger attacks do literally nothing
Not really. It's KOS-MOS that gets a massive buff when she unlocks X-Buster. Her, Shion and either chaos or Ziggy are probably the best team in the first game
Her transformations give her magic caster, one of the best moves in the game. Also, build her solely for Ether and stick her into an agws with the biggest laser gun you can find. You've won the game.
I'll gladly take Shion over your average blandass JRPG hero
She's the best protagonist in the entire Xeno series
I thought people forgot about this series after xenoblade. Honestly frick xenoblade it was trash.
Every single Xenoblade games have individually outsold the entire Xenosaga franchise, including the VN spin-off and the DS game.
>more sales = more better!
You fricking morons, I didn't say the games were better. The post I'm replying to said
>I thought people forgot about this series after xenoblade.
It is evident that the best selling games in the series will cause more awareness of the series, not less. It is equivalent to saying "I thought people forgot about Legend of Zelda after Breath of the Wild." It's just moronic to say even if you dislike the game.
Yeah, because sales are art.
By your logic Fifty Shades is a literary masterpiece and Kanye West is better than the whole of western European classical canon.
Tendies being absolutely desperate to claim the fisher price tablet has it's own exclusive jrpgs and that their good does not mean they are actually good.
You had grown men buying a fricking children game (mario wonder) were 99% of it is hold right
Xenosaga 1 sold over a million copies …
That isn't an indicator of a better game.
See
The average IQ on this site has really went down in recent years
Xenoblade is infinitely better but that doesn't mean we won't talk about xenosaga
Current schizo theory after the 3 DLC is that the next game will link to Xenosaga, I know 2 people that started the series because of it
Xenoblade predates the switch ESL kun
>Current schizo theory after the 3 DLC is that the next game will link to Xenosaga, I know 2 people that started the series because of it
I fricking hope not. Xenosaga and Xenogears should stand far, far apart from blade. They represent an entirely different Takahashi and were targeted at a different age bracket altogether.
He's most likely going to remake Xenoblade X (A la Definitive Edition but more extensively) and use it to springboard a Xenoblade version of Xenosaga, I mean, the whole thing is ripe for it and the 3 DLC namedrops the Earthlife Colonization Project.
For me? It's Pellegri.
Correct.
>its nothing
She's the worst Xeno protag by far and the fact that she got three fricking games is a travesty.
Melia>Fei>Shulk>Matthew>Noah>Rex>Addam>Elma>dog shit>Shion
This is legit the weirdest fricking tier list I've ever seen from a xenotard. Good job.
I like to imagine Allen turns her into a submissive and compliant little cum dumpster during the journey to Lost Jerusalem. You just know she's into that s&m shit.
It would be cool to re release the series. I really don't want to dish out for an old ps2.
Schizo tier video game character.
Wanna hear my recordings?
Aye.
I hope it's the treasure chest opening one.
>Shion is a bit of an unlikeable c**t.
It's the English VA and script, as usual. Allen is also less of a b***h in the JP
My Xenosaga rewrite (I have no intention on writing it better, I just want the game to be more entertaining)
>Kevin is a woman instead and never dated Shion but Shion admired her and saw her as the perfect woman, idolizing her to a point she tries to imitate her and do everything like her. Incidentally Shion is a virgin (and will remain so).
>Allen doesn't exist (worthless character).
>Instead of Shion being a c**t she just just copes by LARPing as femKevin and being a workholic obsessed with KOS-MOS. Having KOS-MOS taken away from her causes her visceral despair as it's the only thing she has in life + it's her connection to her dead idol femKevin.
>I'd change her relationship with Jin a bit, maybe he sees her obsession with KOS-MOS has unhealthy and in response she's angry at him for wanting to take away the only thing she loves.
>When femKevin comes back as a Testament she's a hot dominant villainess instead of a nerdy abusive ex-boyfriend.
Feel free to call me a homosexual.
You're not a homosexual, but I do think you are mentally ill and should seek out a Jungian psychotherapist immediately.
I already have a therapist, it's called the gym.
Shion has a hairy pussy and butt btw
>Want to play saga
>Shit laptop can't run episode 1 without slowdowns
I just want more takahashikino.
Same here
>ggggggooooooooooddddd mmmmooooooorrrrrrrnnnnnniiiiiinnnnnnggggggg KKKKOOOOOOSSSSSS-MMMMMOOOOOSSSSSSS.
There's not many of us left... are there?
There's board for you.
Ah yes. The retirement center.
I've had good times there. It's slower, but that's to be expected. Good thing is that threads won't autosage until they hit 14 days old, so you can keep your topic bumped for a while.
The only place left where you even have a chance of discussing a non-FotM game is the retirement center. The jannies let this board turn into blue /b/ to the point where we’re completely overrun by bots and moronic normies, to the point where you can post iPhone filenames and twitter screencaps all day long and hardly anyone will call it out anymore
First game was good. I liked it better than 2. I never got 3 because it was always hard to find.
2 is considered to be awful by everyone so that's not surprising
3 is the best but the end ...
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The blue light at the end of FR was Shion and Allen's ship
People theorize it's Kos-Mos.
Most likely it's just A, Shulk and Rex returning to Earth after becoming the avatars of the world in FR.
>realizing why kos-mos shoots vergil
I only ever played Xenosaga 1 as a kid (couldn't find the other episodes at my local game stores) I've heard that it got worse, but I enjoyed my time with 1 from what I remember. Did it get bad enough to just ignore or something? I also heard it was supposed to be a hexology, but had to be cut by episode 3.
episode 3 is significantly better than 1 (and 2)
Everybody said 2 is bad and 3 is better than 1.
3's quite good for the most part, but 2 is such trash that a lot of people don't make it through.
>2 is such trash that a lot of people don't make it through
Indeed. Still have yet to play 3.
It wasn't even really cut to 3 episodes because Episode 1 ended up unfinished and Episode 2 is just finishing what was originally going to be Episode 1, then Episode 3 was completely changed since they were ending the series there.
3 is great
>I also heard it was supposed to be a hexology, but had to be cut by episode 3
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