It's DMC6 as a non-mission based linear game, with Final Fantasy environment, with Final Fantasy towns and sidequests, and some FF window dressing. And it's fricking awesome.
I saw nobody b***hing about Stranger of Paradise being a blatant Nioh reskin. This was part of the understanding.
> It's not a real Final Fantasy game!
It feels more FF than shit like 13 and 15 that is for sure. There are towns, the npcs actually matter and have names. And if you do their sidequests you can get to know them better just like in old FF games where NPC interactions mattered
> Sidequests are shit
Yes, some give you no real rewards. But sidequests compared to 15 are great. A lot of inspiration from Witcher 3 and Nier Automata. Even if a sidequest is just a fetch quest, it usually has some good lore to it (like the 'Girls Pet' thing). And some of the sidequests marked with a plus unlock things you definitely dont want to miss.
> Combat is simplistic
Bullshit. Your precious ATB turn based combat WAS simplistic. Not this. It's like 100% DMC5 and gives you all the tools you need to style on enemies, and be creative. Torgal is your DMC5 V Shadow companion, you can use him to extend combos or start an air juggle. You can use Garuda to do insane air juggles combined with enemy step. You can use Ramuh to set up AOEs and then ignite them with another move for more damage.
Combat is amazing in this game and ppl who say it's shit or dumbed down have no idea what they are talking about and they likely suck at any DMC game.
> Also 4ch, frick your fricking garbage captcha system, holy shit it fricking sucks monkey dick balls. Garbage site
Your ATB turn based shit IS boring and simplistic. Don't @ me, I played all your precious Final Fantasy games, been gaming since the 90s. It's fricking dogshit. All you did in these games like FF7 was either dodge random encounters at a certain point when you were overlevelled or select some overpowered summon to get your regular mob encounters over with as you go to the next cutscene. That's your precious 'FF' roleplaying there.
> Story is shit
Compared to what? FF7R the fricking anime cringe fest? FF15 the Korean boyband on a roadtrip simulator? FF9 the kiddie regression of FF7/FF8? FF10 the corridor borefest with a half baked love story? Give me a fricking break dude. Compared to those games' stories this might as well be Shakespeare, and that's including a fricking contrived space alien McGuffin thrown in there. Story has NEVER been great in FF
It has an amazing DMC combat loop, it throws out the old boring action RPG template and puts in its place a fleshed out character action combat loop, it has writing and characters that are not embarrassing weeb shit and doesn't make you ashamed as a 30+ something adult to play it. What's the problem?
"It's not an RPG, it's not real FF"? You have been saying this since FF7. It's always 'this game is terrible, the previous game was so much better'. Ppl even doing this revisionism now for the dogshit that was FF15, when almost everyone universally agreed this game was terrible and an unfinished clusterfrick. Even 7R got dunked on for literal years for its time jannies nonsense but now we have contrarians going how great it is. Give it a rest already, you guys are never satisfied.
Throw real criticism at the game instead of the dogshit you guys have been throwing at it.
Like I've been playing it for 30 hours and I haven't even encountered this 'gay' scene you guys shitpost about all day. If you were to believe /v you'd think this game is a gayfest for 40 hours straight, meanwhile I haven't seen a single gay scene so far in over 30 hours. So holy shit you get to see two men kissing for over 5 seconds in a 40 hour long game, HOLY FRICKING SHIT, GAME RUINED GUISE.
Now here IS legit criticism:
* Should have had a PC port day one. I feel like I have to put up with a shitty version of the game and it's ruining my overall enjoyment levels cuz I have to either put up with unstable 60fps or put up with 30fps high res mode that looks like shit on my OLED cuz of the excessive motion blur
* Should have had some way to make it way harder on NG. This whole 'play this 40 hour game and then replay it again on higher difficulty' is like dude, how many ppl are going to be doing that really? Maybe like 2 to 5% of ppl buying or playing the game. It's a busy year, in about two months we have AC6 and then other games and by that time this game will be forgotten. Make the first playthrough matter the most and don't hold back, or just give ppl all the difficulties unlocked from the start.
I understand if NG+ is built around all eikons being unlocked and all, but shit, it should still be WAY more challenging than it is on first playthrough.
* Should have had Bloody Palace unlocked from the start. Not sure when it's unlocked (Yoshi-P said in an interview it had it so I believe him), but still not good enough.
>legit criticism
>should've had a PC port day 1
LMFAO
stfu OP, nobody cares
you forget about overpowered charater trope
>this game is terrible, the previous game was so much better
yes, welcome to the "Soul/soulless" moron board, there are literally no new games these gayots like it
>Compared to what
Lost Oddysey
Nier
Lost Odyssey has nothing except the soundtrack and a good first disk. The combat is somehow slower than FF9s and there is no reason to ever not have more than 1 mortal in your party because they are objectively worse at being anything other than literal Guardian Forces for the immortals
But you didnt play the game, you just keep mentioning it to make yourself seem like a true scotsman seasoned REAL FF!!! sage on the mountain
The OST is 10000x better than XVIs though I'll give you that
I can't tell who's more autistic. You or the one anon who tried to claim that DMC 3 or 5 was a role playing game. Played it with my neighbor who had a ps5. For me the problem with ff16 is the pace at which you get new powers. Feels slow. Also some more actual weapon variety like bows and dragons lances would have been nice. Most of the side quest are kind of shit. Hell the boss fights have QTEs or turn into some shit from asura's wrath. I think ff16 would have been better if it was a more tightly pace experience or even mission base instead of still trying to pretent to be a rpg.
>I saw nobody b***hing about Stranger of Paradise being a blatant Nioh reskin. This was part of the understanding.
To be fair, that's because it was made by the nioh devs and a spin off.
FF9 was good.
You've touched on an issue that I'm worried might become a theme from what I've been seeing around. It's people giving massive passes to faults in new games in established franchises by deflecting to games of "lower" standing (e.g. spinoffs or low budget games). See also: how people love to justify the overworld reuse in TotK because MUH YAKUZA DID IT.
Maybe. Strangers of paradise was fine. But I was playing it with a friend of mine on at his play. As for TotK I don't play Zelda but know that TotK is a mainline game.
>The story's pacing is ass. It peaked in the intro.
That's mostly due to it having a decent pace. Clive's time with the other slave soldiers and him finding a new hide away felt rushed.
The transfer I g abilities thing was a good decision.
>For me the problem with ff16 is the pace at which you get new powers. Feels slow.
I've only got Phoenix/Ifrit/Garuda so far and tbh I'm not sure I'd even want to use Titan much just because the control scheme for Eikon swapping will get as convoluted as swapping more than 2 weapons in DMC. Garuda and Phoenix/Ifrit give me enough options I think. That said I guess I'm not very far?
The story's pacing is ass. It peaked in the intro.
You can only select 3 eikons in your loadout so that wont be an issue. You could transfer abilities from eikons you are not using tho by mastering them, a lot become assignable to any eikon once you di that
oh that's pretty based, I haven't upgraded garuda's ability wheel much at all but I don't use the default moves much, it's all about that devil bringer
>Your ATB turn based shit IS boring and simplistic.
Why do zoomer morons want every fricking game/movie/song/tv show to be IDENTICAL to all the other slop that's out there.
They want slop because it's easy to consume, they want to treat games like burgers, just shovel it down and forget about it
This is the thing that I really dislike. All games seem to slowly be turning into the same basic thing. Back in the PS2 era if you compared God of War to Final Fantasy they were totally different games. In the modern era they are basically the same though with both of them changing and meeting in the middle. I don’t want all games to be the same I liked variety. I liked having both action games and turn based games.
It's the issue of inflating budgets and costs. Games have to make safe choices and try to chase after market trends, or stick to established things that sell.
I'm sorry but are we pretending that DMC5 was good?? It's not and it was shat on when it first came out and I am still shitting on it now. FF16 following in DMC5's footsteps was NOT a good thing.
>Gameplay loop
All you needed to say to immediately out yourself as a Redditor
It's really, really good for all the reasons you mentioned. But the old FF's were still really, really good, too. Been playing them since day 1, 1987 and I love 16 alongside the others, and I love DMC.
Didn't read, LOL!
*Can't read
As both a FF and DMC fan i'm loving this game, i don't think SE has released anything that good in two decades
Agreed I'm having a blast
Hating wienersuckers here are as bad as resetera homosexuals
This shit has literally nothing in common with DMC, comparing it to DMC is insulting to DMC.
it has more in common with genshin impact than it does with DMC
I remember saying that when the previews dropped and people were mad at me.
Dude.
It has literal reskins of DMC5 moves, you have no idea what you're talking about.
* It has DMC5's way of running, you keep holding forward until the character starts running fast
* You can cancel moves
* You have reskinned Stinger moves, Garuda's Deadly Embrace is Nero's wire Hook, DMC5 V's Shadow is literally fricking Torgal. Just how fricking moronic are you not to see how all these movesets and 'skill features' are literal DMC5 tools?
It even has a fricking Bloody Palace mode in it and it has DMC5/Bayonetta style 'intros' for hunt enemies. Take the fricking hint already. It's Final Fantasy Devil May Cry 6
>It has literal reskins of DMC5 moves
So does Genshin Impact.
Damn, no game has had running and cancelling moves before DMC!
I can't think of a 3D action game that did, maybe Rygar? DMC at least popularized it
nta but you're nuts if you think it has nothing to do with DMC (haven't played genshin impact though)
- it has the following "styles": trickster, devil bringer, royal guard, maybe more?
- it has devil trigger
- it has cancelling and most importantly jump cancelling
- it has exceed (though a bit clunkier)
- it has perfect dodge -> witch time (bayo, but same genre)
- as a bonus it has parry -> witch time as well
I'm not sure how you can actually play the game and think its not hugely borrowing from DMC and other games in the genre. The only problem so far for me is that there are no pause combos and I would've preferred L-stick inputs for certain moves like Stinger/Hightime instead of pressing two buttons. Surprisingly the lock-on is also very good.
that's like saying megaman x is a street fighter game because you can hadouken in it.
I'm not saying its on the level of DMC or Bayo, but the combat system is basically DMC for a broader audience. Have you actually played the game? Have you pulled off a jump cancel combo? There's a free demo so you can confirm everything I'm saying yourself.
>bro you have a helm breaker bro you can do AIR JUGGLES
that describes literally every kuso chink action game from the past 20 years
level and enemy design are what defines devil may cry and sets it apart from those games that literally no one gives a shit about. running around fields and spamming aerial raves on trash mobs is much closer to pso2 than cuhrayzee
> level and enemy design are what defines devil may cry
level design? DMC since 3 has been a literal corridor beat 'em up game. what level design? its literal hallways and styling on enemies.
the only one with a semblance of level design was DMC1 and that is because it was a failed RE4 prototype.
DMC/Bayonetta are modern day beat em ups, they dont need or want level design, you proceed to the next hallway to style on and kill more enemies. rinse repeat.
>beat em ups don't have level design
Dmc5 does not have level design, no. Its hallway after hallway
its not just air juggles you frick there is literally jump cancelling, ie you can do 10 helm breakers in a row with the right timing, what generic kusoge allows that?
no you cant, you get limited stomps
>- it has exceed (though a bit clunkier)
No it doesn't, that's a bringer knuckle if anything. As far as I know the hit>spell thing the MC of 16 has doesn't trigger any special porperties into his normal moveset nor does it fill a gauge with levels.
>- it has cancelling and most importantly jump cancelling
My man a shitton of ARPGs/Action games feature animation or jump cancels, it's not exclusive to DMC nor is it exclusive to XVI.
>- it has perfect dodge -> witch time (bayo, but same genre)
Read above.
>- it has devil trigger
I don't think this is true but substantiate your claims, does the MC of 16 turn into his Eikons mid-combat? Because from what I've seen that's entirely a different combat system. So if anything it's probably a soft-devil trigger where your moves are amplified.
>trickster, devil bringer, royal guard
It's simplified versions of those if anything, the FFXVI Trickster doesn't have Sky Star or Trick Down/Up, the Devil bringer is just the 4 one nor can it hold things in place like in 5 or have access to another snatch, and the Royal Guard I guess is the Titan parry but I don't know if it has Royal Release or Royal Parry.
hit-spell is bringer knuckle, there's a separate "exceed" mechanic where you can hold the attack button on every hit and it'll charge your next move with a unique version with flames, this applies to stinger/high-time/helm-breaker and normal moves, the clunkiness comes from the need to hold the attack button rather than having a trigger to fire it up, it has the potential to frick up some combos
as for the rest, I didn't say it was exact 1:1, I said its DMC with "broader appeal" (for morons) and simplified controls
oh, and the devil trigger is an "eikon" trigger but its not the kaiju thing, its called Limit Break in-game actually, it amplifies your speed, and attack power/radius, and heals you via a vampirism effect (I think, it wasn't very clear to me the few times I used it), covers you in ifrit's flames
Well I'm a PConly so I'll have to wait to try it out, I'll pass better judgment on it once I can get my hands on the thing.
>wait
Typical pcgay
It's like DMC, minus the depth, scoring system, and heavily cutscene based.
it is not and it is shit
You will LOVE this game if you're into character action games like Bayonetta and DMC, and if you love PlatinumGames games. Cuz they all worked on this game. And if you don't mind a DMC taken to the next level in a pseudo RPG setting with towns to explore and an actual good story, then this is your GOTY.
If you're some boring old fart that wants to pretend like selecting Knights of the Round on random mooks for 30 hours was riveting gameplay, then this is not for you and I'm glad it isn't.
didnt read
this game is basically what happens when you admire dmc combat but want it to be accessible to people who've never played any games before and wrapped in jrpg trappings
>i'm not reading anything but let me give you my opinion anyway
Based morons.
samegay
The side quest lull for 1-2 lines of lore is unacceptable and you’re vastly over inflating the combat considering every encounter is over in one ignition besides bosses which all equate to dodge into opening and nut your abilities until stagger then chain your abilities back to back. When you get 3 eikon slots regular attacks are pointless outside bosses (filler).
Thing is combat has always been like this in FF games. No combat in FF has ever been amazing and you can get overlevelled very easily. FF15 case in point, the Ring trivializes everything. Noctis' free combo shit later on trivializes everything. FF7 same shit, as soon as you get summons like KotR it's over. And there's no character individuality in FF7 since every character can equip the same materia and get the same movesets.
Combat has never been GREAT in an FF game. This is the closest it's come to having actually great combat. Yes, the cooldowns on eikons are annoying and kinda a kludge, it's not going to rival DMC5 for complexity, but it's pretty damn good for a mainstream JRPG series
I mean measuring action combat to turn based as a Medal of Honor just doesn’t work. Just because turnbased combat is trash doesn’t make this good. For this to be good it needs to hold a candle to heavy hitters like Bayo, DMC, and GoW (nu and old) which it falls extremely short to.
FF15 and FF7R are not really 'turn based' though, and they all have their own flaws and gripes.
You have Stranger of Paradise too. It's way more complex than smth like FFXVI mechanically but it doesnt look good, it's ultimately an inferior Nioh clone, attacks dont look or feel satisfying or visceral, you just have to go in not caring the game has the budget of a shoestring and just focus on the gameplay.
I'd say FFXVI is not mechanically 'deeper' than Stranger of Paradise but holy shit it is better in almost every other way that matters, presentation, combat animation, production values, enjoyment factor, etc.
>it's ultimately an inferior Nioh clone
Based moron.
kek OP the fact that none of these shitposters are willing to engage you just shows how right you are.
Not OP but i've been looking at the critics for days and it seems the vast majority either haven't played the game or don't even know anything about it. I don't know what's the motive tho, what are shilling for?
It's simple, westerners love Black folk and this game has none. This offends them so they lash out. Just look at how many prerelease articles were about how the game didn't have one Black person in it.
So butthurt wokegays again? I wouldn't be surprised if there is a discord behind it. Not only it seems unorganic as frick but also what i hate is that they're fricking LYING. They could at least resort to legitimate criticism (like with the performance mode) but no they have to make shit up, it's like they are talking of a different game than the one i play
>So butthurt wokegays again
yes. every woke gaming site like Kotaku has had it for this game for months, ever since Yoshi said there would be no black people in the game, they've been writing stink pieces on it before it even came out, and now sites like The Verge or Eurogamer are giving it 6s citing reasons like the lack of a diverse cast "sets gaming back decades" and "makes a huge world seem small" (actual quotes) and how awful it is that the female cast takes a back seat to the main protagonists (two white males)
>if you dont like it its because you want Black folk
Lmao what is this fricking cope. Other JP games have no issue getting universal praise without including Black folk.
>Other JP games have no issue getting universal praise without including Black folk.
because they comply in other ways
That's great, it really is, but can you write your own opinion on that and provide interesting, discussion cultivating examples? That's a better way of starting threads.
>DMC
>fully self aware cringe fest with frick ton of side content, secrets and high replayability
>FFXVI
>le super duper grimdark fantasy literally ripping off Game of Onions once again taking a huge shit on the name Final Fantasy by being a hallway sim with heavily watered down moron friendly parody on DD battle system
I am sad we'll never get a good mainline FF game again. I had immense hope for XVI and but it was more and more obvious devs don't know what the frick they were doing every time they opened their mouths for another interview.
I am sad and fricking mad.
Frick you whoever eats this shit up.
>>le super duper grimdark fantasy literally ripping off Game of Onions once again
It's not though.
This moment happens early in the game
So fricking "grimdark" dude. It screams Platinum goofy shit from top to bottom. Devs are having fun and not being serious. They introduce a major alien villain early in the game, shit is not even a spoiler. The only ones that think it's this 'grimdark' GoT game have not even played the game, even before the second timeskip happens it is made plainly apparent to you the GoT shit is just window dressing and this is a Final Fantasy ass Final Fantasy story. It just now has actual decent and non cringy writing and voice acting, something you dont have to feel embarrassed to go through being older than 12.
As soon as Cid dies, less than 6 hours into the game (at least for me), all levity goes out the window. The only other lighthearted scene afterwards and a genuine 10/10 is Clive reuniting with his uncle during the play skit. The game isn't grimdark, but it is drab, and underneath all that politicking and melancholy is nothing worth caring about.
>IT'S NOT GAME OF THRONES!
What, you don't remember when jon snow started powering up and a sick ass banger started playing?
And then a few major fights later, big spoiler in pic related.
It literally goes DBZ with Clive and Joshua fusing to fight in space against Golden Bahamut
I feel like anybody that just says it's "just Game of Thrones" will never see beyond the midpoint of the game you linked, and not seeing just how full Japanese crazy anime it goes.
>I feel like anybody that just says it's "just Game of Thrones" will never see beyond the midpoint of the game
Yeah duuude, just play 35 hours and then it gets good! Frick off homosexual. They made their bed by constantly quoting GoT in that asinine media tour that they now get to lie in that bed. Frick game of thrones and everyone who enjoys that bullshit.
>just play 35 hours and then it gets good!
Don't put words in my mouth, I never said that.
If you want my take, it's good from the beginning, and even then it's only like 15-20 hours for the 50% mark (the second timeskip)
>They made their bed by constantly quoting GoT in that asinine media tour that they now get to lie in that bed. Frick game of thrones and everyone who enjoys that bullshit.
Hello moron, maybe you should also see when they cited a shitton of influences from Japanese media.
https://www.gamesradar.com/final-fantasy-16-combat-interview/
>"All of that kind of focuses around the concept of the Eikon, which is one of our central themes in the game. And those Eikons, the traditional summons of the Final Fantasy series, as long as you have that and you have that main core focus, then you're going to get that Final Fantasy feel with it. And then on top of that, the inspiration came from things like Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Evangelion, Attack on Titan, that type of Japanese Tokusatsu [live action], the anime, the manga that we all grew up with is definitely an influence."
And in general, the whole team has influences across all media and games, but it's not dictating what they want to do. They're just implementing the things they really really like
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-xvi-is-a-lot-like-god-of-war-and-its-director-knows-it/1100-6511847/
>As for other influences, I consume so much other media that there's going to probably be a lot of things that have influenced me, but it's not like I went out of my way to say, "Okay, I really like this from this game and so I'm going to use this in the game." It's more just like I've consumed so much media that those bits that I absorb are going to come out in what I create.
>This is probably something we've said for our whole staff. We have a lot of great people on our staff that, again, are really, really into movies and games and anime. They all have the things that they work on in the game, so you're going to see influences from lots of different things, things that they really enjoy, because that's what this kind of game is about. We wanted to make it something that we enjoyed.
It's worse than Game of Thrones. It's all the awful shocking things Game of Thrones had with none of the meat or the competent writing during the first bunch of seasons. Then it goes full japanese fedora cuckoldry alien sex shlock.
>It's all the awful shocking things Game of Thrones had with none of the meat or the competent writing during the first bunch of seasons
I loved the game but I'm with you on this boat. There are some very well written scenes in there, like when Dion kills the Emperor or Clive and Jill's sex scene on the beach after getting BTFO by Barnabas that are so good they make the rest look so much more jarring. It's immediately evident what scenes were written by Maehiro and the ones where some random side quest writer from XIV had some vague directives from him to go on, like the cullings or the child sacrifices in the Iron Kingdom that just came off as heavy handed.
>It screams Platinum goofy shit from top to bottom.
this is what's bugging me. everybody always complains about those in platinum games but seem to love them here
>The only ones that think it's this 'grimdark' GoT game have not even played the game
tell that to the devs?
This botched attempt at copying GoT is exactly what you should be ashamed of playing. Only a young teen would find this cringy shit interesting.
>Frick you whoever eats this shit up.
No. Frick you cuck homosexual and frick your mother.
No vidya will make you happy , why are you even here ? Go transition and leave us
What's the point of the no advertising rule? Genuine question.
Bahamut fight had me like 😮
2B won
Her game sucks too.
Still more of an rpg than 16
I can't believe we've come full circle and that XVI now has its own fricking Barry. The game sucks. I wasted 70 bucks on this garbage. At least PCgays will be able to pirate.
DMC fan here.
Didn't read. Commit suicide.
Does it really have DMC gameplay?
Combo stuff and shit?
Isn't it too dumbed down?
Look at gameplay videos yourself, you won't get good info here
Nah, you can do insane combos in the game. Limit Break (read: Devil Trigger) is your friend here.
Even smth as basic as this works fine for air combos and that's not even touching using Torgal for air juggling or using Garuda's Deadly Embrace and enemy step to go up in the air insanely high.
When the Bloody Palace mode gets discovered you'll see ppl doing insane combo runs
>you'll see ppl
Moving on to the next game because of how boring this one is in the final stretch.
This video isn’t pretty deceitful considering any launchable enemy dies almost instantly anyways and while “stylish” there is no benefit to air strikes. No more damage than ground (less since many abilities have no aerial).
Dumbed down. Regular enemies die in one ability. Larger enemies and bosses you just spam abilities. Melee combo caps at 4 and the abilities you get don’t connect in a combo method.
Benedikta is so cartoonishly and over the top evil it makes her look more pathetic and non threatening if anything
All the half-step action shit FF tried was bad, I dont care if its turn based or action, just pick a fricking style and stick with it. Im glad XVI finally ripped the bandage off.
Why does every combo in this game look the exact fricking same? It’s launch or scoop, maybe followed by a spell to slam them back into the ground. Don't get me wrong, it looks cool, but in other action games, this would be one trick, not the only trick.
FF without the soul, DMC without the soul. The game will find its fanbase, like the imbeciles who pretend that FF15 was good, but that's about it. FF used to be cultural event. Now it's just a niche whatever.
It looks so fricking weightless also, like you're just tearing away at paper.
That video reminds me of the one dude having an aneurysm playing botw moving his hands all over the place trying to prove a point.
You only have one combo and your sword abilities (all two of them) don’t feed into the combo. All the eikon skills you get are standalone not combo extenders or creators. Games puddle deep
How much does level and numbers matter in this though, I like DMC because it has almost none of that shit and is just purely skill based.
Its mostly that, skill based. Its why some FF gays are seething cuz they cant use their RPG clutches (as if they havent got enough rings already). They want to have stupid shit like oh ifrit fire attacks would do no damage against a fire bomb cuz of fire elemental, that kind of gay shit. Which ofc would be terrible for a character action game so they dont do it here either
You still have rings you can use to give you some stat boost and you can reduce cooldown times for some moves. The loadout of your eikons is your job system and is your RPG.
The Tales series maintains what little RPG elements it has, including elemental weakness/resistance and still has games with better combat systems. Making zero attempt is just laziness.
Wow. The gameplay must be dire if even Tales of Feces has deeper combat. YoshiP should stick to MMOs since having good gameplay doesn't matter in those games.
>They want to have stupid shit like oh ifrit fire attacks would do no damage against a fire bomb cuz of fire elemental, that kind of gay shit. Which ofc would be terrible for a character action game so they dont do it here either
Except DMC already has elemental weaknesses. Bosses and enemies in DMC3 are weak against certain weapons (Cerberus hates Agni and Rudra, Agni Nevan, and Geryone are weak to Cerberus), and Pyrobats and Hellbats take less damage from Nero’s Max-Act attacks given how they’re literally made out of fire. What’s FFXVI’s excuse?
You forgot that DMC 1 enemies also had elemental weakness. Frost and plasma were weak to ifrit gauntlets.
I've seen endless mentions of DMC in every single FF16 thread, it's so weird.
Its not considering character movement, abilities and even NPC companions are almost copy pasted from DMc5
When i say its DMC6, thats not hyperbole. Thats what this is. DMC as an RPG with a final fantasy skin. Just like how stranger of paradise was dumbed down nioh with an FF skin
It's more like a watered down DMC5 Nero than anything.
Not just nero
Torgal is V Shadow
Titan counter is Royal Guard
Didnt get to the other eikons yet after titan but pretty sure i have seen judgement cut in previews too
>Torgal is V Shadow
Yeah V without Griffon and Nightmare and Shadow without 50% of its moves
I don't think you've played Devil May Cry.
Guess fans don't have high standards if this is what can pass off as a DMC6 now.
Its DMC for people that haven't actually played DMC.
Yeah but I want a new mainline FF not Devil may cry aping Game of Thrones as a FF for, and I quote the director, "People that grew up with call of duty and GTA". This could have been a side game, fricking it put it in the ivalice/vagrant story realm and it would have been fine.
But as it stands it is just bait for normies to by an FF game and has 0 to do with any other games.
Stranger of Paradise is the superior Action RPG.
Calling it an RPG would be like calling Last of Us or Uncharted an RPG. It's a triple A cinematic action game, nothing more.
What defines an RPG?
FF games since 7 have ALWAYS been cinematic story games. Gameplay has always been this ‘thing’ you put up with.
There was never any strategy or depth in the combat. Ppl need to stop the nostalgia gaslighting already
Your game sucks, you can quit shilling it.
For any, unapologetic non-shitposting action game veterans playing FF16 right now: how good is it?
I'm experienced with DMC, Ninja Gaiden, W101, and Bayonetta. I'm a big fan of Bayo 1's combat specifically. I havent seen much FF16 gameplay, but from what little I've seen from the combat it looks fine, but not up to the standards of other prolific action games that I've listed. I'm not sure how prominent the RPG mechanics are, but from my experience RPG stat elements and pure action combat dont mix well at all, unless you're going something like the soulsborne game.
I'm just not sure if the praise for FF16's combat is coming from RPG fans who don't play many action games at all and if they do, don't play them to the extent where they want to master the combat systems.
You're a fricking idiot who got gaslit by other morons if you are going into FF16 expecting it to be on the same level as real action games. That's about the nicest way I can put it for you.
>You're a fricking idiot
takes one to know one
I am a severe DMC autist. I'm from the Devil's Lair days. It is basically a more fleshed out DMC4 Nero but with more simplified controls.
see
enemies are more aggressive in FF16 than DMC4/5 though, assuming you're not playing on Story mode. Also the game is littered with QTEs and cinematic fights so if you don't like that you'll have problems I think. But it felt okay, it's basically impossible to fail the QTEs. And there are big kaiju fights which are slow and kind of clunky.
There's also a training room if you want to go full combo autist or replay segments of the game.
also the side quests are fricking garbage, just skip them and keep going forward with the main story if you play the game
It looks very good, the videos make it looks a bit more floary than it actually feels. You lack a lot of self expression though, the combos are very basic and the eikon skills don't extend combos/open new combos up. Also the stagger system just feels bad to play with at times.
>game sales have already been topped by the preorders for Mario RPG, a remake of a game that is literally 3 homies in a row
You lost.
> kiddie trash for nintendie manchildren sells better
No shit. Mcdonalds also sells more than regular restaurants
Mario RPG btw is a complete garbage rpg. It was known back in the day as squares second worst game after final fantasy mystic quest. Watch tendies big up this trash now though lol
at least it's an RPG
again what do you think defines an RPG? selecting attack from a menu? selecting magic from a menu? is that it?
cuz there are no real 'decisions' to be made. you just select whatever armor has the highest defense, whatever weapon has the highest number, there you go, i've described 99.99% of Square's turn based 'role playing games'. also all the characters are pre-existing and you just give them a name in most cases but the story plays out the exact same, so again, zero role playing there either.
FFXVI isn't an RPG.
here's an oldgay review from 2004
http://www.honestgamers.com/1904/snes/final-fantasy-mystic-quest/review.html
> Perhaps the only good to have come out of this game is that it proved Americans aren't that stupid - Mystic Quest did dismally both with sales and with critics. Square appears to have learned from the experience, for the next time it dared venture into the kiddie pool it was with an excellent game, Super Mario RPG, which was both simplistic enough for someone new to pick up and play, and original enough to please an experienced player.
Mystic Quest and Super Mario RPG have ALWAYS been known as literal baby games, introductions to children so that they might want to check out a REAL RPG like Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger next. They were never seen or regarded as real 'RPGs', but were used as the butt of a joke
God Nintendies' standards are so low it's almost laughable. No wonder they elevate a literal party game as if it's a real fighting game
>They were never seen or regarded as real 'RPGs', but were used as the butt of a joke
One of these games is getting a remake, and it's not the one with "Final Fantasy" in its title. THAT sounds like the butt of a joke to me.
Cuz Nintendie has given up making new games with actual budgets and now just resorts to remaking old licensed games Square made for them.
They cant even make a new Zelda anymore in 6 years, they have to resort to rechristening a DLC as a 'new sequel'.
They know you will buy it anyway
Hello mr redditspacer. I want to let you know that Mystic Quest, while being a simple game, is perhaps the greatest "babys first jrpg" ever created. Everything just fits and works. Having encounters represented on the map and being able to instantly retry a lost fight make for an excellent smooth experience not many othe rjrpgs came close to.
Its biggest flaw, if you want to note one, would be that it was birthed from the GameBoy SaGa trillogy and with that the loss of difficulty and customization options can be quite irritating for fans of those games.
it should've cut all the bloat chores from being mandatory
Everything Ive seen of this game reminds me more of MGR or old God of War than DMC. Simpler more accessible action gameplay but carried by the cinematic spectacle instead.
The Eikon fights are MGR/old God of War.
The rest is DMC
I saw a bunch of morons telling me to play Asura's Wrath because it was better, I'm currently playing it and FFXVI is just better and more fun despite Asura being a good show
I'll finish it tomorrow then go back to XVI to tell people they were wrong
I find it so funny that the doomies that were running rampart the previous few days are now getting overwhelmed because the people that were busy actually playing the game are now here to shed some truth
What truth? Everything people assumed happened: Cinematic action game, very little in common with older FFs going by the song of ice and fire playbook. The only new snoy cope is that "It totally becomes a FF game after the mid point!" which should be a really bad thing because people shilling for XVI were pretty adamant that they hated older FF games. Honestly it seems to me that this game is out to please no one fully.
I for one am fully pleased
it's similar to hifi-rush not dmc.
mediocrity
you're mediocre
Why are you attacking me?
for your mediocrity
nta but some people just hate mediocre people for being mediocre, I can relate
Must be hard to look at the mirror
Alphas don't need mirrors, they know they are superior and flawless, you on the other hand...you need mirrors all the time to see if HRT works and if you look like a cute anime girl yet, kek
it's a fetch quest simulator with MMORPG dialogues for like 70% of the game, the other 15% is basically a big offline quest from FF14, I mean...the FF14 vibes were strong even in the demo, the remaining 15% is bosses from souls-likes and they play like a souls game
I finally realized why this game feels so similar. It feels just like a Witcher game. The aesthetic feels very similar, with a pseudo medieval fantasy feel, and the main characters kind of have the same aesthetic too, with the leather armor and the long sword on the back. All the NPC’s looks kind of generic and like they were made in character creator. The way the camera takes a very specific angle when talking to NPC’s. The way Clive talks to himself as he travels. And even the voice sounds the same. When I met the Dame, I had a deja vu moment of the first time I visited the brothel in Wither 3. Even the empire’s armies gives off wild hunt vines with the corners on the captains armors. Alternating between attack and magic feels similar too. The game is a Japanese Witcher.
boss baby syndrome, play more vidya
Didn't read + homosexual pozzed game
Storm of loyalty is more of a man than you will ever be goon
>Storm of sodomy
>Storm of homosexualry
lol
why do homosexuals live rent free in your head?
You’re gonna go play the next Fire Emblem and GTAs, you probably played Signalis too
Loving the game, never played a dmc though, might have to try one
What’s the best way to use limit break in boss fights. Should I be using it to stagger them or save it for when their down then pop it?
its pretty easy to stagger, I'd pop it for extra damage once they're already there
I feel like the dodge is too good and you can even make it better
More like DMC 2-2
"We have Devil May Cry at home" edition fricking kek
i would've unironically rather played a single player mmo with xiv fights than watered down genshit combat
does genshin actually have legit DMC-style jump-cancelling or am I just getting memed on? because if so I'd better pick it up
>morons out themselves as trash dmc players by comparing this offline mmo slop to it
>Yes, it's DMC6. That's why it's great
this seems like a bug, they were pretty aggressive when I fought them. Titan's guard also breaks against bosses like Beneditka if your timing is bad
I guess its possible this is journo mode too though
it's not
it is, and how would you know you moron, the filename outs you as having downloaded from here, you haven't even played the game
choosing the flaming homosexual easy mode says more about you than it does about the game
DMC had more rpg elements in it since elements actually did shit.
>Hey guys lets give Bahamut an incredible fight to hype the player for his moveset
>And then let's make Bahamut's abilities absolute TRASH lmao
For real, is this a prank? Flare Breath is horrendous and Gigaflare is shit too. I will admit Megaflare is absurd though. Shiva and Odin better be good or I'm gonna be pissed
>Yes, it's DMC6. That's why it's great.
uhh this is with the accessories that literally play the game for you, there's no way yolu can do all this with just tapping one button
>better action combat and more rpg elements than final fantasy
sakunnychads won
correct. shit is straight up fantastic and the best game square have done since I don't know, possibly ever.
>I saw nobody b***hing about Stranger of Paradise being a blatant Nioh reskin
Spinoff so nobody cares. The game was pretty bad but nothing wrong with taking risks on a spinoff series.
>It's DMC6
Obviously I can't attest to it myself because I can only watch others play it, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Outside of eikon abilities, it seems all you can really do is the same attack chain over and over and a magic bolt finisher at any point in the chain. I also don't like how you seemingly can't lift staggered bosses into the air to juggle them or slam them into the ground.
Maybe it picks up once you have more eikons to rotate through, but the early game at least seems to be quite a slog.
see
idk if that helps, also yeah you can't juggle stunned bosses - but you can't really do that in DMC anyways outside DMC5 Vergil and maybe Credo
It definitely makes me wonder if the people I've watched just haven't been playing "correctly" or maybe it's stuff you unlock later. I'm certainly interested, but I'm PConry so I'll have to get fricked for now.
the game has a lot of options for casualization, one is journo mode, and on top of that you can equip 3 accessories that just play the game for you (automatic mode basically, and it even turns every near-hit into a QTE for an auto-dodge). I'd say unless the streamer is aware of it and an action game fan, their playthrough is probably not worth much. It's also possible, in my estimation, to finish the game with the base moveset without any upgrades or swaps - I didn't realize I had points to spend until much later. Jump-cancel for example is an ability you have to unlock, like it is in DMC4/5
DMC5 Vergil also just says frick you if you try to combo him too long and gets out.
Limit Break also speeds up your cooldowns it feels like. It charges much quicker than Devil Trigger or Limit Breaks in old games too. If someone feels like the combat is a slog, they aren't using LB that often.
It takes a long fricking time but once you get Bahamut you can go full Black Mage and just spam ranged spells for the most part. Seems like Ramuh/Shiva/Bahamut is the black mage setup and throw Heatwave in there too. I'm glad they included this even if most people are just gonna punch shit with Titan. Why the FRICK is Windup so goddamn strong
>Strong range
Sounds like it would break the already simple fights
Yeah, imagine that clip but instead of mashing triangle you just hold circle and do a few perfect dodges and then do a billion damage and then spam cooldowns. A level 4 megaflare just deletes health bars.
The difference between XVI threads and Dragon's Dogma 2 threads is hilarious. When people criticize Dragon's Dogma the fans all go "ye" and agree with the criticisms. They then start talking about how fun the game is and then share builds pawns. Everyone ends up having a good time. If you say you don't like XVI you get called Barry and are thrown paragraphs of false equivalences desperately arguing how how it's just like every other FF. At least OP is now embracing the criticisms I guess
OP exposed himself of having never played DMC by making this thread, more like.
>When people criticize Dragon's Dogma the fans all go "ye" and agree with the criticisms.
A couple of years ago, sure. But that's not the case anymore
Bros help I can't stop spamming titanic parry I haven't used the other eikons in hours
I'm about 40 hours in and still enjoying it a lot. Can't wait for NG+, but I don't want to rush my first playthrough either.
>40 hours in
>not rushing it
>dogshit blogpost
why did your kind felt welcomed here sister?
go be a sperg somewhere else ESL
>don’t want to rush
>40 hours in
>games only been out for 60 hours
Anon….
its been out for about 4 days in Aus/NZ moron
Right, because 40 hours spent of 80 hours isn’t rushing it.
do you know what rushing it means
if they had said "I finished it in 30 hours" that's rushing it
are you moronic?
>That sinergy with Ramuh's landmine and Bahamut's lightbeam
I think I'm gonna steal this.
Nobody even fricking knows what an RPG is anymore anyway.
They need to attach a bunch of subgenres to it like JRPG, WRPG, CRPG, SRPG, ARPG etc. Because the term "RPG" by itself means nothing. Ive literally met a guy who called any game that wasnt an FPS, Driving, Sports or puzzle/card game an "RPG", any game that had you playing as a character with a story was an RPG in his eyes. Thats how pointless this genre name is now.
Is the berseker ring worth using? Idk what to press after i dodge
iirc dodges do stack the att boost
it turns basic attacks into fire ones
I wanted to use it, but I had to take it off because it removes my Precision shots. It's pretty cool tho.
ok cool it's DMC6, so how has it improved on DMC5?
5 had 3 playable characters and 16 has...oh one? just one? ok
Well maybe concentrating on one character means he has lots of different weapons that all play differently?
Oh no.
Well surely at least being this limited means it has a vast array of branching combos and combo extenders?
ahahahaha
>redditspacing
sister... your hrt
>redditspacing in a post accusing a post without redditspacing of redditspacing
Well it's a better plot twist than anything in 16
So why can Clive use a bunch of Eikon abilities if he's the dominant for Ifrit, is he rogue from X-men or something.
This game is a joke in high level DMC circles
>high level DMC circles
anon devil's lair hasn't been a thing for years
>watch someone just mash square and die
>they call the game a button masher and quit
Normalgays need extreme negative feedback in games to understand that theyre playing wrong. If theres nothing like a stamina meter or color coded enemies they'll just keep playing like morons.
Can i upgrade torgal?
Wait is it linear like FF13?
I hoped it was at least something like FF12.
you really don't want to do the side quests, they're shit and feel like they're out of an MMO or worse, literally the first side quest is walk 2 doors down, grab some wood, and come back
they should've gone even MORE linear because this shit was shoe-horned in and takes away from the game
You do the side quests for the writing. Which is to say don't do them.
>I hoped it was at least something like FF12
it is, don't let these homosexuals lie to you
>Yes, it's DMC6. That's why it's great
"Morbol Slain" is the worst part of this webm
who the frick is malboro
>outed himself as never having actually played DMC
You can also do this in DMC moron
he isn't even trying to play the right way
Devil may cry 5 was a button masher dude
>A lot of inspiration from Witcher 3 and Nier Automata
I fricking wish this had Witcher 3's sidequests. It's shitty fetch quests. This "fleshing out the world" shit is such cope.
>Combat is amazing in this game and ppl who say it's shit or dumbed down have no idea what they are talking about and they likely suck at any DMC game.
Combat is decent but has some pretty serious flaws. The control scheme also actively brings it down
>when almost everyone universally agreed this game was terrible and an unfinished clusterfrick.
It was, but at least it still had controllable party members (even if that was added in post launch) and some level of RPG mechanics like status effects and shit
Is the combat worse than KH2 or better?
ehh I'd give it to KH2 because KH2 handles the RPG side of things better, but FFXVI is pretty good for a DMC-lite. I just haven't got to a point where magic feels good, whereas in KH2 its pretty important and readily available even without factoring in forms
All the good "magic" abilties are locked to Ramuh Bahamut and Shiva, Bahamut's eikon feat lets you go full spellcaster and not really bother with melee combos.
>Ramuh
Ramuh's only good skill is Judgment Bolt.
>Is the combat worse than KH2 or better?
deeper maybe but less fun IMO.
>there's not even a hard mode. regular enemies are no threat whatsoever.
>bosses and minibosses mainly consist of depleting their stagger bar with eikonic abilities. then limit breaking and spamming more eikonic abilities when they're staggered.
>eikonic abilities and limit break conjure a ton of particle effects and that plus motion blur that you can't turn off makes it hard to see what the enemy is doing. Especially bad as minibosses and bosses don't get interrupted, not even humanoid ones. They just hyperarmor through everything.
>torgal and items being both on the dpad except you cycle between them with left face button basically makes it inevitable that you will accidentally use an item when you meant to use the dog
>similar shit with the eikons. You cycle through them but this forces you to look at the menu to see which one you're on. You will inevitably do shit thinking you're on one eikon when you're actually on a different one.
>deeper
KH2’s ability synergy is nuts even to this day. Where’s the equivalent to that in FFXVI?
I was expecting the Eikon fights to be gimmicks and they ended up being some of the best shit in the game.
Just bear Titan Lost a few minutes ago, holy shit.
You haven’t seen anything. You thought that was the best thing yet? Think again.
>Yes, it's DMC6. That's why it's great.
Everything from entering Sanbreque onwards is absolutely fricking bananas, but in an incredibly fun and insane way.
I'm just about to enter that part I think, Sneak into the Oriflamme? I'm hyped now anon
get out of here to avoid spoilers, go play it, it's pure kino
will do - thanks, brother
IMO the game just keeps getting better. I haven't reached a part yet where I've felt bored. This cannot be said for my experienced with 13 or 15. Bahamut's bit is actually insane too.
I feel bored inbetween the main story shit. It's always "do some menial shit to win the favor of one of cid's allies so they can give you a special badge." If you could just skip that bullshit the pacing would be a lot better.
yeah that shit is mind-numbingly boring, its basically side-quest tier in any other RPG (here the actual side-quests are even worse)
So what's the name of this track? I've been waiting years to hear the full version
?t=173
It just shows that you give us good gameplay and we will like your game.
Something SE didn't learn with FFXV and Forspoken
at least the dissolved that shitty team
too bad they didn't do it right after booting tabata's useless ass
>6 xvi threads
>none of them are actually talking about the game
lol
what is there to talk about, game is shit
>6 shitpost threads up
>people busy playing the game
i wanna talk about the game tho
i am enjoying it
>talk about game
>Ganker.org/v
Did you actually compare the sidequests to Witcher 3? lmao
Didn't read your post. Didn't read replies. Here's the objective truth:
Final Fantasy 16 has some of the best boss fights I have ever played against in a video game, and I have played almost every high profile action game in the genre. No, FF16 is not an RPG. Who gives a shit if the series hasn't been an RPG for over a decade now? The IP finally got a good single player entry, which is a dramatic step up from where it previously sat.
Anyone who says combat is shallow is an idiot. Anyone who says enemies are damage sponges are bad at the game, and are an idiot. Anyone who says the game running less than 1080p 60fps is okay, is an idiot. Anyone who says the game can't be improved by keeping some more traditional franchise norms, is an idiot. Anyone who says the game is a Game of Thrones wannabe is an idiot, and anyone who points put the lead dev made the team watch Game of Thrones to draw some inspirations for the game (despite the entire plot being Godzilla murdering other Kaiju in a revenge plot), is an idiot.
FF16 is great, if a little underbaked. Anyone who says otherwise wither has zero taste, is actively shitposting, or is an objective idiot. Full stop.
I just beat garuda and i am surprised at how varied her attacks were. most ff enemies are pushovers until the last 2 or 3 fights or until the super speshul secret boss
FFs been a RPG for 25 years decades and 13 main numbered entries.
FFs been a mediocre action rpg for 1 decade and 3 main numbered entries
Final Fantasy has maybe 4 games in the entire franchise that can sincerely be called RPGs. 4 homies in a row that take turns slapping each other with zero decision making, multiple ways to solve the game, or ability to make a specific build is not a fricking Role-Playing Game; it's a turn based adventure game aping an RPG because it shows numbers on a stat sheet you have almost no control over.
>multiple ways to solve the game, or ability to make a specific build is not a fricking Role-Playing Game
Yes it is moron. Jrpgs are not about "role playing", they're about options, builds and numbers combined with nice aesthetics generally.
And FF has none of that outside of maybe 4 titles, as I previously stated. Even FF5's job system is borderline pushing it, but barely makes the cut.
I can't parry for shit bros...
use the stinger move tbh, its just a long thrust forward so it has the most likelihood of parrying most oncoming attacks (just like in DMC aside from prop-shredder or revolver)
this is a disengenious pro-shitgameplay post. The parry has 2 seconds of leniency
the forest bgm is too frickin good i'm subconciously whistling it
Type B lads, where we at?
Type-C is my preference. I don't know how people hold triangle to charge magic while attacking with square, Triangle is so much better suited to eikon changing,
For me I can't have R1 be the dodge button, too whack
>Soulsgays
Name an action game with R1 dodge
Final Fantasy 16
The games problem is the story after the 2nd timeskip a lack of good side content like super bosses or dungeons like the Research Facility in FF8.
Literally at no point did I think to myself that what FF16 lacked was braindead elemental weaknesses or status ailments that never mattered on your first playthrough anyways because they missed 80% of the time and bosses were immune to just about anything unless you were reading a strategy guide to find out the 1 or 2 cases where you could cheese a something because by the time you'd had your 10th immune any reasonable player just stopped trying
This is why the series has no future, because all the most common complaints cited are JRPG boomer takes who just want the series to basically be a higher production turn based mobile gacha game with rock paper scissors gameplay and pornbrain anime waifus. Sort of like how people complained that Fallout 4 didnt have the vault boy everywhere when that was literally the least of the games frickups. Alk the real problems get ignored and never iterated on in favor of fanboys who aesthetically stuck in their teens
Good post.
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The combat feels good but it lacks variety
i do not like they put a dedicated launch attack on the dpad with torgal instead of the face buttons and i do not like how you have no incentive to change pre stagger moves up because it will always be best to use the best stagger moves which is mostly garuda for most of the game untill lategame.
I'm still early in the game but I feel like 2 abilities per eikon will get old fast
i now have three and you can switch between all three so that is 6 don't know if ill have even more when i get eikon4/5/6
One of my major complaints is that when you hold R2 to open the Eikon Cooldown prompt is that O stays the same passive Eikon ability instead of being a mappable slot for any cooldown ability you achieved Mastery of (because as of right now, I have no idea why people would waste Ability points mastering Eikon attacks for no bonus other than being able to shift them around). Having access to 3/5 attacks per Eikon equipped dramatically opens up your move pool, but I can also see how it could completely break the damage output for bosses and make Normal attacks basically useless at that point.
Torgal is another thing that was purely included by committee. He is completely pointless and adds nothing to the game except for making dumb people clap because the camera focussed on le best friend doggo again.
FFXVI-2 soon.
I'm nowhere near beating 16 yet Just barely Accepted the Truth but I can already see a direct sequel using a 3 man party.
making basic enemies absolutely braindead punching bags with no hp was a mistake
i thought enemies were damage sponges
which one is it doomsposters
basic enemies are made of paper, mid bosses are made of titanium
only "full" bosses feel properly tuned length wise
It's actually shocking how badly the kill points flow given how basic the RPG systems are in it
There are literally both types of enemies throughout the game.
the only game with damage sponge enemies is god of war on give me god of war difficulty
everything else is child's play
you are a dumb homosexual
>nooo mashing x and then hitting a cooldown is not simplistic okay!!!! what's simplistic is your combat where you just select an option for a menu but you're controlling 3-5 party members at once and you have to actually equip them, build them, choose their magic and not just auto equip your newest green up arrow item
get fricked you brainlet action gays
nobody cares about "styling" on anything, they care about efficiency, min maxing and simply overcoming an encounter. the level of style is fricking irrelevant and is a massive MASSIVE fricking cope that people only bring up in games that are brainless and have no difficulty. it's the same as "yeah but just dont level up and just dont equip new items and just impose 500 artificial rules upon yourself because the game is designed like shit" lol
Bro there is no interesting gameplay at all in hastaga -> strongest attack unless heal necessary. Thats literally as complex as it got except for some superbosses where you also had to cast shell and protect
>I saw nobody b***hing about Stranger of Paradise being a blatant Nioh reskin. This was part of the understanding.
Because it wasn't a numbered entry.
Spinoffs can be whatever genre they want to be.
This is like if F-Zero became a Smash clone with zero racing in it
They told everyone that FF16 went in a different direction with that beforehand. You can say you dont like it, but reviewbombing a game for something that was explicitely stated as a particular aspect of the game is moronic. You may as well be complaining that Halo isnt a WW2 shooter at that point.
I am disappointed with the game and think its being dragged down by the story after Cid dies and lack of meaningful side content because it was reasonable to expect this game to have a good story and well written side quests that build out the characters and world from how the game was promoted. Review bomb the game about those things, not literal boomer shit behavior where you write bad reviews because it doesnt have a classic FF party composition
>they told everyone it was shit so it's ok
KEK
If they told you what theyre advertising is shit and you buy it then yeah, marking it down for being what they said would be dumb. But you understand this already and just refuse to be a reasonable person because you wanted a Persona highschool waifu wish fulfillment dating simulator
I'm enjoying the game a lot, but I feel they should've taken more from Dragon's Dogma than DMC. Could've had jobs like vocations, and pawns with actual decent AI who don't just stand around doing frick-all. Climbing mechanic in a game about huge summons would've been cool.
The AI deals a ton of damage when off-screen, it's one of those games that's sort of insulting to play when you realize how shallow everything is but morons (that's you) love it.
>The AI deals a ton of damage when off-screen
no it fricking doesn't
the only time this is ever the case if it's a set fighting between you and a partner against 2 enemies and the ai says i'll handle this dude you handle the other
otherwise ai is fricking useless in general
>The AI deals a ton of damage when off-screen
lol no
Stranger of Paradise got dumped on plenty and wasn’t even a numbered Final Fantasy game.
its a shame because its one of the few post PS2 era SE games that's actually good aside from WoFF
It's DMC without the good combat, cool characters, and none of the charm or soul.
FF16's high points hit WAY fricking harder than any anything in the entire DMC series, Anon. I mean that sincerely. Not counting even numbered entries, DMC just happens to (generally) be a more consistently polished experience from start to finish.
what high points? everything FF16 does is shallow as frick whether it's the gameplay or the story
they can't even be bothered to make different soundtracks for each boss, you hear the same boss music again and again which just cheapens the experience even further
I thought the hooded homie was going to be a ghost in clive's mind. Surprised he's real and everyone can see him
There's 2
Clive feels great to control on the ground but i highly prefer how nero feels in the air doing air combos
I feel like air combo controls aren't very intuitive.
i hope you use Torgal to extend air combos
Because Nero is braindead to control in the air. Clive can stay airborn forever, but requires perfect timing and the right setup to achieve.
shitters
Saboteurs? It says the Metacritic archives have been compromised.
For me? It's Gigaflare.
we get giga flare?
Yeah, it's not the strongest super move but the cooldown is pretty short so you get to do it more often.
frick i wanna see it but i don't wanna spoil myself
If you played DMC5 it's a lot like Nero's gerbera beam
holy reddit COPE
mmo devs = mmo quality = do not play
>just beat titan lost
I hope the eikons yet to come are this kino
Bahamut is mega ultra kino
>hdr on
>the random white screens almost give me an epilepsy every time
>combat
easy and repetitive
>story
cringy GoT wannabe turns into regular JRPG moronation
>sidequests
MMO-tier
>everything else
there is nothing else to this game
truly for the GTA and CoD audience. gotta support stuff like this!
>it's bad because it's bad
Keep us posted
Does anyone have that gif of Vegil telling Barry it's past his bedtime?
also i am impressed at how polished this game is
most japanese shit is buggy on launch
yeah, 720p at 40fps screams polish
that's literally every game on this shit console
out of all of the shit, it's the least shitty. happy now homosexual?
>muh other games suck too
not an excuse
game was done a year ago, they used the time solely for polishing
and still fricked up the framerate outside of combat
>Clive vs Garuda
>Ifrit vs Garuda
>RAMUH
>Elsewhere, ODIN vs BAHAMUT
Yeah, I don't care, this game fricking rocks.
People literally will not understand until they play it, but will instead cuck themselves by watching a Streamer have fun with it instead, then pretend like it wasn't good.
I know sister, the cinematic are out of this world!!!!! Gameplay? WHO CARES CONSOOM
These threads may be divisive, but we can all agree that Uncle Byron is the best character in the franchise right?
my main gripe with this game is that benny dies way too early
>I saw nobody b***hing about Stranger of Paradise being a blatant Nioh reskin
No one did because it was a FF spinoff. FF spinoffs always experimented changing genres. Now when The new main entry of single player FF is a DMC ripoff then you have to be autistic not to notice whats the issue.
Finally, given that I like DMC I would love to play a 40 hours long DMC, sadly the combat doesnt hold a candle to it. And its nothing like DMC at all. More like 40 hours of ps3 Castlevania stupidity
is this what xiv story is like? i might give it another try unironically. i've tried to get through the first area like 30 times now but i always fall asleep at my desk
also do not try to shill me your troony game
be honest or i will ignore you
14's story only gets bearable in the first expansion. The entire base game is worldbuilding and setting up plot points that pay off hundreds of hours later.
FF14 was largely considered the best FF story in the franchise since at least the PS1 days for a reason, Anon. The problem is that it's an MMO, and that means there is a metric frickload of filler around the absolute kino moments that carry the game.
ffxiv doesnt really have any climactic payoff until like the end of the base game
I will be 100% honest with you
A realm reborn exists purely for worldbuilding and is a sour apple to get through, heavensward feels like ff16 100% and is kino, stormblood story is cringe untill you go to not-asia, shadowbringers is the best final fantasy has been in more than a decade and kino of the highest order, endwalker is hit or miss depending on how open you are to the villain being a philosophical concept, i personally thought it was amazing though with bad pacing at times.
WHERE IS ARK
>armored knights taken out by convenience tomahawks from common bandits
It's been amazing so far, and the Medieval-flavored worldbuilding is the best I've seen since FF10.
I love gta and call of duty is this game specifically created for me?
No, that other Anon is a fricking idiot.
Is Jill really a non-character?
she gets her one shining moment and is then nothing but a plant.
She bounces off Cid and Gav well but when she's just with Clive all they do is amplify each other's brooding. If she had spent more time with the other characters she'd have been better.
I think I'm about to get to my second Eikon fight and it's been pretty good so far. Finally glad it's letting me roam around and fight random enemies and treasure. Kinda wish some areas like Greatwood were left open to pass through instead of being locked behind Stage Replay + lower EXP/Gil for non-boss enemies. It breaks the immersion for me a little bit when wanting to backtrack to Cid's Hideout.
i bought a fancy ass mini led monitor and some speakers and idk this game is hittin different
it's like a full experience if you get what i'm sayin
I REACH NEW ZONE, I KILL ALL THE CHOCOBOS.
SIMPLE AS.
>he doesn't know
you know what i've noticed? the NPCS don't look like they're in the wrong game like every other FF
Yeah there's a consistent look to everyone except Clive once he gets the second outfit. I liked the first better.
>like every other FF
you mean 15 and 7R which use same shit malaysian studio to make the god awful NPCs?
and all the 13 games
i guess the last one that had ok npcs was 10
the 13 trilogy's npcs all looked in place though
debatable
they all worse moronic sci-fi gear
main characters and npcs
souless
Unironically soulless also I laughed ff7Black folk defend this
no one defended that Barry. That was one of the few things everyone universally agreed upon besides the music being the best thing about the game.
Yeah, it's definitely much better than VIIR. That got so bad in some places it was a detractor. Sector 7 Slums was like watching Cloud and Tifa walk around 1930s New York City
the absolute cope when yoshida resigns will be very funny
Yeah, resigns from his position as producer and takes the CEO position kek
Its not that good. Better than anything 12 onwards (except 14) but its not really signalling the new golden age of FF that I thought it would prior to release. Just the truth.
japanese studios will never be that big again. unless they larp as western studios
No, I think if the story after the 2nd timeskip had remained solid and there had been less "please look for this missing random friend of mine who will never show up again before I help you with your resistance fight" and used that time to have cheeky personal moments between Jill and Clive so that they actually feel like a mature couple with sexual tension and casual flirtatiousness you occasionally do in a relationship, then the game could have made an enormous impact through word of mouth
Also the entire Clive monologue to Ultima at the end should have been set up more thematically? Its like all the music and pathos is there but its just not earned emotionally. Clive tells Ultima about the similarities and differences of what made humans strong compared to Ultimas race but there was no such dynamic or parralel ever hinted at before the literal final exposition dump right the trio confronts him. Its just so badly jumbled man I really wanted this game to be something I could unequivocally recommend as GOTY contender
i will let you in on a secret. story is not what sells games. none of what you said matters at all
A great story with decent enough gameplay is what makes games punch way above their weight and if big budgetted become a phenomenon
You vastly overestimate the extent to which normies care about pure arcade infinitely scaling time trial gameplay loops
>Still the best reviewing FF mainline title in like 17 years
Yeah. Yoshida is finished.
spending all the extra money on those reviews and then selling this poorly is hardly a good thing
>get rammed by all of typhon's demon wall
God I suck
learn 2 iceskate
this feels like a full game so far..but so did 15 until chapter 8 or 9 i forget
It's the opposite of 15. It's actually at its worst at the start and only ramps up later.
i hope you mean there are a shit ton of post game activities. i'm talkin kh3 remind tier
Lategame S tier marks are pretty good but I didn't play KH so can't compare
why didn't they just make it an original IP
Do you think Jill stayed a virgin those 13 years?
Yes. She even goes out of her way to tell Clive she was never raped because the Iron Kingdom saw her as tainted due to being a dominant.
Now that's hot.
Mfw zettaflare
BUT CAN WE GO HIGHER
gonna be honest fellas, it's hard to appreciate the scenery at 60 fps. pc gaming has ruined my eyes
>60
i mean 30
speaking of npcs I appreciate the sheer amount of cute short haired girls
Now this will shut up the anti xvi schizos for good.
lmao
Resetera desperately wants this game to fail
well yeah, though luck
metacritic is already deleting bullshit 0 score reviews
they failed with hogwart's, they'll fail here as well
Why? Because no niggs?
too many whites
muh female abuse
muh slavery is le bad
to be honest it's a little weird that literally every character is white. idk maybe the "woke propaganda" is finally getting to me but you'd think there's at least one dark skinned person somewhere in this universe
there are plenty of brown people in the game
oh i haven't gotten there yet.
Because if the branded were black then Yoshida would have a true fricking shitshow on his hands.
Dion deserved to win
>Bahamut's fight and theme song
>Bahamut wings of light Zettaflare
:O
Barna-who? Frick him, and frick Odin.
man, that typhon fight
that fricking music
this fricking game
I remember when liquid flame's fight hit ign and all the morons were saying the music was bad and it was ign's music overlayed over the "real" music
fricking idiots lmao - the song slapped
The game is about to make a nosedive for you. That and the "Accept the Truth" were my favourite moments
>favourite
>ourite
>ou
worthless europoor opinion discarded
Bahamut is the best shit in the game, and Odin is great too. Don't listen this moron
This. Final boss is sick too. Bahamut is the coolest boss fight in the genre.
i haven't finished the game but titan was cool too
that guy saying the game takes a nosedive is trolling
Wasn't too crazy about Titan but it was still fantastic, probably the best finisher in the game.
That's fair
>that guy saying the game takes a nosedive is trolling
Yes, Lost Titan is great
Can't wait to pirate the OST
Bahamut is XV Leviathan all over again. Its a bunch of cool shit happening but it doesnt have any weight storywise for why its happening or why a character Clive has never even talked to or seen most likely needs such an earth shattering dramatic battle of the fates
How did Barnabas become a mega ultra coomer?
>yes, it's shit. That's why it's great
l o l
it is worse than GoW
am i a fool for maxing all the phoenix stuff first? also why doesn't clive have any ifrit abilities? is the answer to that a spoiler?
Yes.
yes to which part
Why Clive doesn't have Ifrit's powers yet
it doesn't matter since you can full respec at no cost at any time and yes spoilers but not that far into the game
DMC tutorial is harder than anything in any FF game
kingdom hearts is harder than any dmc game
HA HA HA HA HA
The people who are the most asspained over FFXVI are the ones who can't stand the fact that some people just want FF to be a RPG.
>Dion's stride during the Bahamut vs Odin cutscene
i like the subtle hint of gay and his boyfriend having a lip
how far into the game for odin's scythe shit?
I need a Cid and Gav prequel.
I like the stagger mechanic, and I'm grateful to FF13 for pioneering it, but I think it's time to move on and try different stuff.
It's more like Stagger actually made sense in FFXII and XVII which were proper RPGS where switching from offensive to defensive strategies matter. It doesn't really make sense in a character action game.
XIII not XII
CLIVE YOU FRICKING AUTIST
Even with that, They still end up being one of the more affectionate FF couples.
Clive's black armor was so much better looking than the shitty cosplay he gets from Murdoch's wife.
>Yes, it's DMC6
It's not. The combat is too stiff and Clive lacks a lot of depth.
>in lv.30 area
>loot is 2 gil
>Cid lights a cig
>puts it out in two pulls every time
NOBODY DOES THIS
>will have finished the game by the time the option to turn motion blur off is patched in
by then dlc will be out 🙂
>coping hard on Ganker instead of playing the game
Must be a pretty fun game.
hmm
Odin porn when
huuuuh
blah blah blah
when is PC versions releasing?
this shit stuck at 20fps on gaystation 5 might as well not exist
i do not like the damage font in this game
ff7r does a better job there
>a fair criticism
Rare post.
>it’s only fair because I agree
Broaden your horizons
I don't agree, is the thing. I think the damage font looks fine but can see anon's issue. Take your own advice, bud.
>with Final Fantasy towns and sidequests
That's why its shit
>see that city
>you can't explore it
I hate this trend in modern FF.
Imagine if you can't explore Junon in 7Re.
What the frick do you actually not go there? I remember this city being in one of the reveal artworks.
I wanted to play an FF game, not a DMC game
martha is hotter than jill
discuss
meanwhile gaymors
>Fight Titan lost
>Sonic music starts playing
I kneeled in real life.
cid has so many death flags i feel like it's a misdirect
>I rill destroyu ff from the inside fufufu....then everyone will play the last remnant.....
last remnant was a great pleb filter
Okay, the doomers were right, but for the wrong reasons
This WILL be the last Final Fantasy. I doubt any other team would want to go after XVI.
After the Phoenix vs Bahamut fight, I pity the disgraced team that attempts to develop the next FF. Yes, that includes CBU3
>clive remembers what some random cloaked homie mouthed 13 years ago
>remembers he burned rodney to a crisp
>remembers he killed josua
i can't even remember what i ate for breakfast yesterday
*ba dum tiss*
i'll be here all weekend everybody
>a v neck that extends down to his fricking chest
who designed clive's outfit
gayest protag costume in any ff
There is some combo of 7R and 16's combat system that would be the peak for these action RPGs. Controllable party members through a pause, cooldowns you can speed up through melee combos, an alright core basic combos and aerial combos. Like frick Torgal right off, and use the dpad for stuff
ehh, even if se made the perfect action game you'd get autists yelling about how it's the shittest shit to ever come out of their anus or something. tldr you can't win when your playerbase is so varied
XVI is a true example of what Yoshida and CBU3 are capable of:
>literal nothing sidequests that exist to be sidequests because I dunno they have to be in
>Yoshida forcefully assuming people don't want to worry about elemental/RPG elements in an action game like how he assumes people don't like complexity in XIV even though most players just play the story and dip without thinking about what they press
>cooldowns in an action game that stop time because it's important to make players feel strong and give them cool effects for free instead of earning them (see the difference between ShB and EW Sonic Thrust on DRG for a quick example) The same goes for the stagger mechanic
>many "cutscenes" of characters in engine just standing in fromt of each other and emoting at each other doing nothing but wasting the player's time instead of making the conversation quick and/or interesting
Yoshida is the world's best producer when it comes to doing anything to avoid having to innovate or give the players lots of options
His smugness about things like the day 1 patch, lack of RPG mechanics, saying FF is just about the superficial shit like moogles, and pandering to the west really gets my goat
This and XIV could have easily been so much more if they weren't so risk averse
>spend all that time ugprading my gear
>i get a bunch of new broken shit as the story progresses invalidating all of my efforts
uh ok
>as a non-mission based linear game,
Arcade Mode
normalgays who thought this would be 100% GoT got btfo right here
most doomposters went silent
guess they watched a full playthrough to meme about and realized they couldn't meme anymore
The whole game should have had this more anime vibe, not sure why the intro had to be so grounded and muh dark westoid fantasy when the anime action like this is 10x better. Guess they wanted to pull the normalgays.
because tales of the abyss came out just a few years ago and is the same story
Tales of the Abyss came out like 15 years ago and the overall aesthetic of that game has nothing to do with what XVI is going for.
ugh brain fart, I meant Arise, it's literally the same story
Yeah but Tales of Arise is anime as frick.
I hope this fight is just faster on hard mode, there is alot of cool fights that are just a bit too easy.
this fight is the first time after the demo where I died (I died a lot to Bendickta in the demo as I didn't understand the mechanics)
>all xvi threads have slowed to a crawl
I think this game is actually good
still playing it
took a day off to laugh at the metacritic nonsense
The low fps and motion blur gives me a headache but I’m enjoying it regardless
Based
subtle
I don't have a PS5 but I got to play the demo at a friends house. There was too much exposition but combat seemed fun once they finally let me play it. I liked Titan the most with the focus on timed blocks and it clearly was the royal guard equivalent. Bird c**t was pretty fun to fight so the demo ended on a high note. I may or may not pick this up once I do get a PS5, we'll see.
It's a pretty decent movie with good to great combat. If you were able to play as Cid and Jill with fully separated skill trees it'd be amazing. If you buy a PS5 it's a must play regardless.
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''DMC'''''''''''''''''''''''
>only one combo
>1 weapon
>most enemies that matter cannot be juggled or combo'd
>only one combo
but but but but but *bunch of words explaining how it's still less deep than DMC*
Anyone that tries to compare it to DMC should be slapped. It's a repackaged Asura's Wrath. That's fine if people want over the top cinematic stuff, but the gameplay is as deep as a puddle and anyone that pretends otherwise should be forced to play Hi-Fi Rush.
it plays more like DMC than Hi-Fi Rush. The Asura's Wrath comparison is weird, the cinematic parts aren't that common
No it doesn't. Again, there are no combo variations, the game does not give any reason to actually be stylish and the actual mechanical depth is low.
It's Asura's Wrath because that's literally how the fights that matter occur. Boss fights are all about dodging moves and spamming cooldowns when they're staggered. That's it. All of the mechanical stuff gets thrown out the window.
>Boss fights are all about dodging moves and spamming cooldowns when they're staggered. That's it. All of the mechanical stuff gets thrown out the window.
bosses will go down a lot faster if you jump-cancel exceeded helmbreakers, it melts the stagger bar
its vergil vs killer bee all over again
also just because there's only one main ground combo and one main air combo doesn't mean you can't make your own combos with all the other moves like this game's versions of stinger/high-time/helm-breaker/devil bringer etc etc anyways, the variant combos like the pause combos in DMC are nice but the fun mostly comes from stringing together moves rather than relying on the built-in chains
power of the SSD baybee
>also just because there's only one main ground combo and one main air combo doesn't mean you can't make your own combos with all the other moves like this game's versions of stinger/high-time/helm-breaker/devil bringer etc etc anyways, the variant combos like the pause combos in DMC are nice but the fun mostly comes from stringing together moves rather than relying on the built-in chains
Are you moronic or something? DMC had everything you mentioned and more. DMC3, a game released more than 15 years ago has far more combat variety than this game. Just because it takes shit from DMC doesn't actually make it like DMC because every shit action game will pull stinger / helmbreaker etc.
The important thing is that this game has no variety. At all. Even Dragon's Dogma, the game that is directly closest to the skill system in this game has more variety in its combat.
no one's claiming it's exactly like DMC, it's just closer to DMC than Hi-Fi Rush and Asura's Wrath, it has way more blatantly borrowed mechanics from DMC than those two
No it's not. Go play DMC or Hi-Fi Rush again moron, you type like someone that's pretending.
pfft I've been playing DMC since the series began, last I checked Clive has as big of a toolkit as DMC4 Nero if not more, he's somewhere between 4 and 5 Nero
Hi-Fi Rush I haven't finished, I put it down after getting Korsica
No he doesn't. Again, Clive has ONE combo. That's it. Nero has four different combo routes, two different aerial combos, enemy specific grab combos, multiple exceed finishers, devil trigger and a bunch of mechanical additions.
Clive has one combo (which can be revved), a set of abilities (which you can only have 6 at a time), a worse blue rose and a limit break which changes his default combo. Then he has some additional stolen stuff from DMC like enemy step but which are heavily limited and restricted.
Calling him a more complex Nero is objectively incorrect.
You do have launchers and aerial combos, that's where abilities come in. There's also grab moves, multiple weapon sets that you can swap between and more. Obviously no one thinks it's a DMC-like because it's not, it's more of an RPG and too basic to be like that. And yet on many levels XVI is even more basic than Dragon's Dogma.
>weapon sets
Its been a long time but I don't remember weapons withing a type having unique moves. Okay you are a Fighter with a shield ,you aren't really swapping around to a new weapon that changes your combat at all. You are also using limited slots on stuff Clive has built in. In totality, yeah adding up different vocations together does beat one character. Its easy to see how they can change it up, for instance actually making Heavy attack finishers be modified based on how many light attacks were used ala any 3D brawler like Yakuza or Dynasty Warriors. Or let you hold Square/Triangle like Clive can charged his shit for built in launchers, or X+Square moves etc. I think Dogma 2 will built upon its based alot, but Dogma 1 does not feel better to play than this.
You go around a few small villages and grain fields outside of it, then infiltrate below it. Also Junon is a tiny village below that is a hallway and a beach, then Junon itself is like 5 hallways of marching.
A Fighter/Warrior/Strider individually have even less combos than Clive does. A basic 3 hit light attack, with a heavy that is the same everytime with no finisher variation. You don't really have launches or air combos, your moves might not have cooldowns but are generally way less impactful than stuff here. Dogma definitely has more of an RPG feel to it but I would desperately hope they tune the core combat to be more fun. If you just play a Strider the whole game, you don't really evolve or change at all.
>time skip joshua
I should’ve known I’d get spoiled in a xvi thread but it’s ok. I’m only here for the combat anyway
This game fricking sucks
99% cutscenes, 1% scripted lazy fighting gameplay
Worst dialogue ive ever had to endure
yeah I know, but at least its still way better than FF15
Id rather play neither. Square has fallen so hard it just makes no sense why they keep failing, like theyre being sabotaged internally
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good luck
also woah you upgraded that LB gauge quick
Speaking of which, is Dragon's Dogma particularly downgraded on the Switch?
This is like the first game where the gameplay seemlessly switches into cinematics
20 hours in, just reached the second timeskip. Drake's Head was fun all the way through (Typhon fight was cool, and Ultima was expected but it was a cool exchange with Joshua too), and Im excited fir whats to come, but its a shame Cid went so quickly. I know Jill will be also underdeveloped at this point, but it would've been nice to have them both (and Torgal) in the party for a couple of dungeons. Also, the second hideaway theme is amazing, lots of SOUL.
did dante ever have to find a prostitute for another prostitute
>Fight Titan
>Fight huge Titan
>Fight Titan again
Holy shit they dragged out this boring fricking slog of a fight. The fight itself wasn't even that interesting Clive just does some anime "Ifrit and Titan are the same kind of Eikon???" then copies the same shit Titan is doing to win
need fanart of Titan and Ifrit with the "oh, you're approaching me?" scene
I only just got through the pheonix gate section, the kino levels keep escalating. Haven't been this along for a ridiculous ride in a AAA for a long time. Maybe my time playing classic jrpgs is over. I just don't give a shit about picking stats, farming for equipment, or grinding random battles anymore.
>tales of reigning slash
We are talking about good games keep that game out of this thread thanks