You guys will argue about anything.

You guys will argue about anything.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its true tho. 3, 5, 6, 7 and 8 blow most of FF except FF9 out of the water

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      4 is the best of the NES/Famicom games, cope seethe and dilate.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've only play DQ8 and 11, also a bit of 5 bit it was just too slow paced for me to care. I will say I liked the other two. I've played most of the mainline FFs, I only beat about half of them and of those only half I would say I really enjoyed. So I guess technically by ratio DQ is better in my mind.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Makes sense, Only good FF is FF6 and most DQ games are good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FFVI is absolute dogwater ass shit, FF I is way better.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure buddy, Final Fantasy 6 is the ONLY real game Square ever made, the rest are copy paste bullshit with half baked mechanics and goofy aesthetics

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        FF1 is a buggy mess but from what I could stomach I'd say it was better than FF6, yeah. Even a bad game is better than a series of overwrought cutscenes

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          some of the stats/spells are bugged but you wouldn't know it without someone telling you. nobody was looking at debug output when they made the game a hit in the 80s. it's only a "mess" if you got your opinion from youtube

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not that guy, but there's a lot bigger issues than just some spell bugs. Like mob enemies being stronger than the bosses. The bosses dying in 2 hits. The general pacing of the game. And 3/4 the skills being pointless. Final Fantasy III and V fixed most of these issues. Then later FF games broke them again...

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is some hardcore autism, trying way too hard to be a "hardcore gamer" who is only concerned about gameplay rather than enjoying your experience with something.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But FF5 is better than FF6. And it's funny that FF5 feels more like a Dragon Quest or Chrono game in tone and characters than a Final Fantasy game. That's probably why it's so good.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Quest is the most basic bitch vanilla ass braindead JRPG series out there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats what makes it so good, its like home cooking. There are no queer bits and paces shoved into the pie its just sugar and flour

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Never got this argument. It's braindead slop repeating the same stale plot and gameplay over and over again, plus they're long as fuck. Might as well check yourself into a retirement facility if you're this checked out.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's all the same!
          And DQ fans are tired of correcting this 20 year old generalization. Especially since the last four games have been so drastically different from each other. Not to mention the dozens of spin offs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone who hasn't played Pokemon, Mario RPGs, Golden Sun or Altier.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All of those are more unique than dragon quest tbh

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its false tho, FFV, VII, VIII, IX, X-2 and Tactics blow most of DQ except DQ5 out of the water

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3d dq is worse than 3d ff, but both are pretty bad

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played DQ11 and have played most of the FF games. I kinda feel like having played DQ11 is going to mean I'm spoiled for previous DQ games, so I'm not interested in playing them. Is this a mistake? Would I still enjoy previous DQ games?

    FF games change, at least a little, from iteration to iteration. One of DQ's big selling points is that it's largely the same over and over again, no?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dragon Quest XI is not like most DQ games. It's a lot more linear and story driven than most of the other games. In all honesty, it's closer to a game like Final Fantasy XII than the previous DQ games. Which is probably why so many FF fans love it. But basically, if you go back and play some of the others, you'll find them a lot more focused on exploration and NPC interaction than DQXI is. Except maybe VI and VII which also focus on linear story.

      Dragon Quest VIII and XI are about as opposite in design as you can get. Well, aside from some shared things like skill points and character types.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dragon Quest XI is closer to a Final Fantasy game than any Final Fantasy game we've had in 20 years. That's pretty sad. And even more sad, they did Tifa better than FFVII Remake did.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SMT shits on both

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Quest has been consistently better than Final Fantasy, that much is true.
    For how many DQ can you say "wow, that sucked"? IX
    For how many FF can you say the same? almost half
    There lies the truth.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      9 is shit, but so is 6. It tried to blend 3, 4, and 5 into one game and failed horrifically.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      9 was so disappointing.
      >Hey I want to chat with my party.
      >You get a pink fairy.
      Thanks...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was a disappointment for me because it lacked all the things that made Dragon Quest VIII good. Huge open world, searchable items in towns, amazing music, etc. And even the few things it did have, like NPC stories and alchemy, were made worse than VIII.

        But also, this also proves how the common "DQ games are all the same" argument is totally wrong. They constantly change stuff from game to game. And not always for the better. Just like Final Fantasy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They made blue for health & red for mana.
          Who The fuck made this!?!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ix is where sugiyama's age got to him
          the osts after that were just not good, with a few exceptional tracks (i'm partial to bringer of doom from xi)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a good point but I want to remind you that DQ takes pride in being bland games with some cute art tossed in. Since they're JRPGs, the time investment makes them all not worth it while the actually good Final Fantasy games are must plays.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dragon Quest is better than Final Fantasy
    Correct

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These are my two favorite series and I constantly flip flop on which I like more

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How can you argue with that I thought it was pretty much general knowledge at this point

    I mean ten years ago you might have been able to still fool the roundeye into thinking FF is superior but even gaijin know it is shit by now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's still many millions of FF fans who have never tried a DQ game and compared them. Give it time, they'll show up in this thread eventually.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its like tequila, the Mexicans keep the good Agave shit and ship the crap Mescal north of the border

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a franchise? Sure, consistent mediocrity wins against a dumpster fire.
    A few FFs are actually good though.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tick tock Squeenix fags

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think it's very threatening to use a dead series as your example. Unless that was an intentional joke.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no argument. it's simply true.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't argue this point. DQ as a whole is utterly fantastic and gives me a warm feeling inside when I play it. I do like some FF games, and I get the feeling I'd love FFV, but later games especially do nothing for me.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Quest has never made me do bullshit gimmick jump/dodge 100 times to get an special item. Fuck you Square.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ENTER

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I got a system.
        I hate gambling in games.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I appreciate that DQ is still an RPG while FF keeps trying to be something completely different, but I also find DQ boring as fuck. I'd rather play Atelier games.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish one of them would steal Nep-Nep's battle system.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can DQfags even get baited? They seem too old and chill and horny.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Old DQ vs old FF, no. New DQ vs new FF, very yes.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    both had been shit for almost 2 decades, specially FF.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno, haven't played enough DQ to really compare but the two games I completed don't give me the impression DQ is better.

    I've played nearly every FF but only played DQ 9 and 11 in their entirety. I'm currently playing DQ 8 and it seems good so far, I like it more than 9 and 11 up til this point but I'm pretty early on, I think.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    while I personally disagree, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i mean it's more consistent i guess

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Quest has always been sold to me as
    >bro, it's like a traditional JRPG with a basic hero story and without any gimmicks, gameplay evolutions or interesting ideas!
    Cool! I'm never going to touch the series.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >never played it
      >just takes other people's word for how it is
      Yeah, you shouldn't try it.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Tengai Makyou series is better than both.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's too bad the only one in english is Oriental Blue. Looks like a cool series.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wild Arms is better than FFVII
    it has better music, better sound effects, better overworld graphics, better boss fights, better character design, and the story is basically the same only less contrived and without 1 hour sections of reading text

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So is Suikoden. And dozens of other JRPGs released near the same time. But FFVII got more marketing than all those games combined, so it's the one everyone remembers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the story is basically the same
      Retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FFVII is nowhere near even my top 10, but I played it for the first time in 2015 or so, and I'd say it deserved at least some of the praise it got.
      It was carried hard by the setting, atmosphere/music, prerendered backgrounds, pretty decent 3D, and just overall standing out compared to all the template JRPGs of the time.
      The story was just ok. The gameplay was nothing to write home about, but that was a negligible issue, all things considered.

      I'm not going to claim that people unanimously decided it was the best one after playing through everything available, but I don't think it was purely the marketing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >7
        >pre-rendered backgrounds

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah? What did you think they were, 2D art?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you stupid? FF7 does not use pre rendered backgrounds.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Stop gaslighting me.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watched the dragon quest show about dai
    >it's fun
    >decide to play the games
    >turns out not only is dragon quest not really even related to each other except in a few superficial ways Dai doesn't even have a REAL game

    heartbroken.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're making a Dai game right now.
      https://dragonquest.com/DaiHerosBonds_en/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess you don't know what real games are.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I said they were making one. I didn't say you'd like it.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All I know is that FF are shit movie games.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people only like dragonquest for the art style, it's really not that good of a series. First 5 games are alright and 8 but it goes downhill after that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This poster's first console was a ps2.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        are you fucking retarded? i said 1-5 were decent games. Get your head out of your asshole

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I know, because you want credibility. You didn't actually play any of them though, and only like 8 because of nostalgia.

          5, 8 and 2 are shit games. 1 is just solo grinding for 10 hours. How can you seriously say that 1 and 2 are decent games but not mention 6, 7 or 9 as "decent games" as well? They literally blow 1 and 2 out of the fucking water.

          Basically kys and actually play games and form your own opinions dumb zoomer gay.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            9 is shit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            holy massive cope, nice projection. The fact you think 6, 7 and 9 are good shows how much of a retard you are

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      11 is literally 8 with additions

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then why is it called 11 and not 8 remastered? Fucking idiot.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DQXI and VIII are very different from each other. Not only mechanically, but in story as well. Your comparison would be like saying Final Fantasy V and XII are similar. And I hope you don't think that.

        And they don't even look similar visually. Toriyama has really been changing his art style since DQIX. To the point that people theorize it's his assistants working on the DQ games now. Then on top of this, the design changes again in the FMV cutscenes, because a third party made them.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If there's one area where the DQ series is seriously lacking, it's music. They've never had a composer anywhere near as talented as Uematsu.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny you say that. Because Uematsu himself said Sugiyama was his idol. And Sugiyama's music for DQ1-8 is some of the best out there. It's just 9 and 11 where things started to lag. Much like Uematsu's later OSTs weren't as amazing as the earlier ones.

      And even within FF itself, Soken and Hamauzu have written stuff just as good as Uematsu.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, soken and the other guy haven't written anything close to uematsu. Sokens butt rock is tolerable in an ironic way but thats it. Kinda like those mid 2000s scream emo music videos.

        If there's one area where the DQ series is seriously lacking, it's music. They've never had a composer anywhere near as talented as Uematsu.

        Sugiyama is just as good as uematsu if not better. He just composes in a different genre that you don't enjoy because you don't have the ear for it. But I haven't heard anyone come close to sugiyama's proficiency in the type of music he created. Certainly not in videogames.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No, soken and the other guy haven't written anything close to uematsu.
          Hamauzu wrote the better songs in FFX while Uematsu wrote 10 versions of the same Zanarkand theme. And the whole OST of FFXIII is one of the best in Final Fantasy. The rest of FFXIII sucks, but the music was amazing.
          >Sokens butt rock is tolerable in an ironic way but thats it. Kinda like those mid 2000s scream emo music videos.
          I think his best stuff is his orchestrated music. He was also told to copy other people's styles (especially in FFXIV) and ended up doing better than some of the composers he was imitating (especially Howard Shore). Being able to imitate a wide range of styles is an under appreciated skill. Uematsu did the same, though he did it willingly. Soken was told he had to copy big name Hollywood trends and ended up not only doing it, but surpassing the inspiration.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Hamauzu wrote the better songs in FFX while Uematsu wrote 10 versions of the same Zanarkand theme.
            Well, the ff10 soundtrack was utterly forgettable outside of "To Zanarkand". That's also the only song I ever hear people talk about so looks like Uematsu blew the other 2 dudes the fuck out.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Well, the ff10 soundtrack was utterly forgettable outside of "To Zanarkand".
              Thunder Plains, Otherworld, Fight With Seymour, Mi'ihen Highroad, Suteki Da Ne and many others are remembered just as much or more than Zanarkand. And by ignoring those, you're also discounting Uematsu's work. He wrote two of those.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just because Sugiyama was Uematsu's idol doesn't necessarily mean Sugiyama is better. How many musicians cited Elvis as their inspiration and ended up being way better than he was? Many of them from the 60s-80s.
        I agree about Soken. The sheer number of good songs and the variety in FF14 is amazing.
        And say what you will about FF15, but the game still had amazing music.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every dragon quest is generic, boring and tropy.
    Final Fantasy games are at least somewhat unique

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh variety!
      And the irony is, that's the thing killing Final Fantasy. People are tired of the games trying to reinvent the wheel. On the flip side, Dragon Quest adds tons of new features and styles each game. They just keep what worked from the previous game. Which is why each game gets longer and longer. And this has led to Dragon Quest XI being closer to what FF fans want from a FF game than FF games are.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They just keep what worked from the previous game. Which is why each game gets longer and longer.
        Is that supposed to be a good thing? Even if they carry over the mechanics that worked fine, why should an entirely new game become longer by default? This is a genre that already relies a lot on padding, and that padding adding up to excessive total playtime can easily be detrimental.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did you not understand the point of the post? Each DQ game takes what the previous game did and incorperates it into the next, much like Mario. Then adds new stuff. That's going to lead to the games getting longer.

          As for filler, that's entirely subjective of what you think filler is. However, since multiple people keep bringing up how "slow" Dragon Quest is, I'm going to point out there's a point to it. Dragon Quest spends huge amounts of time letting the player grow to like the characters through interaction. As well as being able to explore the setting. In other words, worldbuilding is the focus. Rather than other series (like Final Fantasy) where set pieces and rushing to the next story cutscene is the focus. This style of storytelling isn't for everyone. Some people prefer the faster 'go to location and see a cutscene' like FF does. But others prefer the way DQ does it. The irony however is that the latest DQ game went for more of the FF approach.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Each DQ game takes what the previous game did and incorperates it into the next, much like Mario. Then adds new stuff. That's going to lead to the games getting longer.
            That only makes sense if they're literally recycling content from the previous game.
            Otherwise, why would it become longer just from retaining the things that worked and refining the rest, if there's still a whole new game of actual content to write/make? Do they add more mechanics that make the combat take longer or make you stop more often when going from A to B? Or do they intentionally make the story longer each time just because they can afford to?

            I really do not have a clue what you're trying to say.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I really do not have a clue what you're trying to say.
              Let's use an example. When Dragon Quest IV came out, there was a side character named Hiomi (Healie). A monster companion that joins Ragnar. He was there just as a place holder, but the character got a huge positive response from fans. So as a result, Horii expanded the monster companions concept in the next game. And since then, there's been a variation on the monster companion in almost every sequel. This isn't "recycled" content but them using a similar concept in a new way. Like in Dragon Quest XI, they don't have monster companions. But there is one side story where a healslime teams up with Erik, has an homage to Healie and Ragnar.

              This is an example of how one mechanic keeps being used in the sequels. Added with the hundreds of other mechanics DQ has introduced over the series, you start to get a lot of stuff fans expect in each sequel. And that adds more content (and time) to each game. Then, each game also adds it's own unique story and content.

              Final Fantasy could do the same thing. And they do, but in a very limited way. They'll bring back summons and chocobos. But they don't bring back hundreds of other mechanics or call backs they could have. Because they want to do something new. This is seen as FF strength, always doing something new. But I'd argue they could do new stuff without tossing out the old stuff fans like.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In every FF game they lock themselves in a closet & huff on their own farts.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are DQ 1-3 worth playing? It'd be the remake mobile port versions too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, they are. And you should play the SFC versions, not the mobile ones.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1 and 2 are worth playing for their historical value.
      3 is a great game still, and the mobile version is the best (it's a port of the 3ds version). Disregard the other gay telling you to emulate a shit fan translation that is utterly lacking in features compared to the modern mobile remake.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's always funny how easy it is to spot someone who hasn't played the Dragon Quest games. They always use the same three go to generalizations. Then get called on it and can't respond to it with examples.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are only four good/great FF games but nine great DQ games, don't @ me

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i dislike dragon quest cause it does combat, jobs and magic more unorthodoxly
    it disables you from attacking specific enemies, instead separating them by species into groups that are targeted collectively, with one of which being randomly chosen for single-target attacks
    it divides fire magic into two lines based on targeting, makes its ice magic increase its targets each tier, and for some reason makes lightning magic exclusive to the hero class with its targets being reduced each tier in exchange for increased power

    FF meanwhile is usually a lot more flexible and modular with its jobs and abilities, with its own magic being largely adherent to the same three-tier system with the only differences in offensive magic being their associated element, as well as being able to be single- or group-cast by choice at the cost of the spell's power being divided among the targets or otherwise penalized

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The group combat mechanic is what makes Dragon Quest stand out from other series. It's also quite brilliant when you learn how to use the system to your advantage. It's more efficient and faster, if you use group weapons like whips/boomerangs and group spells. It also produces more variety to gameplay, since you don't just spam single or AOE spells for everything.

      Also, some of the examples you named are wrong. Like there's single, group and AOE fire spells. No idea what you mean by 'two types of lines'.

      Something a lot of people don't seem to realize about Dragon Quest is it's not a system about dealing higher damage. It's about maximizing efficiency. Sometimes it's more efficient to hit a group than doing an all field attack to all enemies. Sometimes it's better to focus on one enemy rather than trying to focus on groups. Sometimes it's better to save MP, while other times it's actually more efficient to use more MP to save HP. And then you factor in items that can be used for no MP cost and switching weapons in battle.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The group combat mechanic is what makes Dragon Quest stand out from other series.
        yeah but i still dislike the lack of control
        >No idea what you mean by 'two types of lines'.
        frizz and sizz
        >Something a lot of people don't seem to realize about Dragon Quest is it's not a system about dealing higher damage. It's about maximizing efficiency.
        this is new to me. i get maintaining the party's resources in order to make them effective as a group, but i haven't seen many examples that at least explicitly reward balancing focus over enemy formations
        but with final fantasy i do really like the fact that there's always at least one way to split the balance in half, be it through grinding methods or character setups, while i haven't seen anything similar from dragon quest

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like dq's cartoony artstyle more than final trantasy's gay artstyle. change my mind

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Final Fantasy would have gone for a more cel shaded or anime style, I would like it more. So I don't disagree. However, Square spend literally billions on pushing CGI technology and realism. So they're not going to switch now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Definitely agree. However the ff games that tried to implement the original art style or a version of it (like dissidia 012) give dragon quest a run for its money in the art department.
      But it's very hard to compete with Toriyama.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played my first Dragon Quest game (11) and lost interest after 2 hours. I was never a big fan of the Toriyama character design and it seemed like a generic farm boy that's actually from a divine blood line and destined to save the kingdom plot. Also how do you not go insane listening to stock orchestra music hour after hour?

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Final Fantasy has higher highs and lower lows

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