Zoomer here, why are these games hated compared to the GBA and DS games? I played ORAS first so I can't see past nostalgia. I felt XY was better though and overall is the best looking game with 3D on (still pissed the later games disabled it when it was in the demos). Is it just because they were easier? I don't want to grind like it's final fantasy, just collect creatures, explore the region and battle trainers.
as for XY:
shitty plot
easy as frick
boring rivals
ugly tiny new dex
bad pacing
megas
fairy type
3D models look like shit when idle
> why are these games hated compared to the GBA and DS games?
Inconsistent standards.
Case in point who proceeds to list a bunch of “problems” that already exist in the GBA and DS games.
GBA and DS games had shitty mega gimmicks, fairies and ugly 3d models?
>GBA and DS games had shitty mega gimmicks
yes
>ugly 3d models
yes
>fairy type
no, they just have dragon and steel type being moronicly broken instead.
Kek steel became OP due to countering fairies you little moron
Thanks for letting us know you don’t play the game.
>Dragon
Offensive so based
>Steel
Weak to common offensive types and immune to stall shit like toxic so based
Water is a bigger problem than those, has been since gen 1 and was never nerfed for some stupid reason
So if two things share flaws they're the exact same?
Why can't our witty friend answer ?
>ugly tiny new dex
>134 < 71
>106 < 71
>156 < 71
I agree, BW2 is bad because it has 0 new Pokemon.
>BW2 is bad because it has 0 new Pokemon.
I'm glad you agree that Emerald is also shit for not introducing new Pokemon
Yep.
And none of those 71 are good
>shitty plot
worse in XY
>easy as frick
worse in XY
>boring rivals
The rivals in XY are aggressively boring and take up more of your time, and there's 4 of them.
>ugly tiny new dex
Not the case for those games, only XY.
>bad pacing
Only XY.
>megas
XY.
>fairy type
XY.
>3D models look like shit when idle
XY.
Congrats, you tried.
>it’s worse because uhhh it just is ok?
Congrats, you tried.
>THE GAME IS UNFINISHED BECAUSE ZYGARDE’S LORE IS IN ANOTHER GAME AND THE CHARACTERS ARE UNDERDEVELOPED!!!!
>Kyurem’s complete form still not existing 14 years later and every team plasma admin being a literal who that does nothing the whole game is perfectly fine though BW is a masterpiece 🙂
Yep. was right.
>not a new IP
>Kyurem’s complete form
KEK. Why do Kalosperms love embarassing themselves so much? I bet it's the same reason they put a wig on and call themselves women
also it took until PLA for the genies to get their lore expanded properly
gen 5 was so rushed and unfinished lmao
spbp
How many posts itt is just you replying to yourself?
How many posts itt is just you coping over not finding any flaws that started in XY?
Pardon? We were asked:
>why are these games hated compared to the GBA and DS games?
What part of that implies the only thing we can post is flaws that originated with XY? You are asking for something different. Maybe XY isn't the first game with a bad rival, but if I think XY's rival is worse than the ones in previous games then I'm allowed to say it. Stop with these tricks of yours.
>the rivals are worse because uhhhh they just are ok? it’s totally fine that may and wally are complete non-characters who barely even do anything in the game
>the rivals are a relevant part of the game’s quality definitely not because I’m desperate to find anything to cry about in XY!!
>>the rivals are worse because uhhhh they just are ok? it’s totally fine that may and wally are complete non-characters who barely even do anything in the game
I didn't say this.
>>the rivals are a relevant part of the game’s quality definitely not because I’m desperate to find anything to cry about in XY!!
I didn't say any of this either. Are you ok?
>I didn’t say any problems in XY
Yes. That’s my point.
>>I didn’t say any problems in XY
You seem to talk with yourself more than other people.
You seem to make schizo shitposts more than actually find problems with the games you dislike.
Well I said rivals as an example and then you had a small meltdown over how I'm not allowed to say rivals. So clearly what you want is for me to find problems by your standards and not problems in general. Can you say what these standards of yours are?
This plus the region is basically a "remember the good ol' days" circlejerk.
It's also the last gen that had:
-Grid map design and movement
-All pokemon included
-Last "normal" bad guys (big evil plan vs local delinquents)
-Fairy was a good addition, dragon needed another weakness
So yes it's the worst gen of 1-6, but still way better than 7-8-9.
Gen 7 is better than 6 in every way
no it isn't. all it has over 6 is difficulty
Visual wise 7 blows 6 chibi artstyle out of the window, and also blows 6 uninspired story, characters, and gym battles too. Gen 7 stuck to what made Pokemon games exciting while feeling like a natural progression from 5 story wise.
none of that matters. alola games are unbearable slogs
They're some of the most concise and well paced Pokemon games. The first playthrough is a breeze, it's only subsequent ones that become tedious.
no they’re boring as frick even one playthrough of that slop of a region made me want to kill myself
It's not the game's fault, you probably have ADD and other disorders. You can't sit through a movie without being on your phone.
1 thing to say. Team Skull.
Also worst aesthetic region, who the frick cares about muh pacific tropic island.
And top it off with the worst fricking legendaries of the whole franchise.
>who the frick cares about muh pacific tropic island
Every human around the world including japs.
> Fairy was a good addition, dragon needed another weakness
Ah yes, introducing a new type nerfing three of the best offensive types and being only weak to steel and poison, all the while not touching water, was totally necessary and didn’t turn the metagame into a stallfest again for the first time since the PS split
If anything nerfing steel by making it no longer resist ghost and dark was the good thing gen 6 did for the type chart
Dragon is an amazing defensive type, resisting a lot of major offensive types. along with being the type with the highest average base stats. I also think the buff it gave poison was good.
I get that there are some issues with gen 6, but in my eyes it is definitely the last "decent" pokemon game. It was going down hill since gen 3, but 4,5 and 6 were still recognisable pokemon games. Gen 7 and higher just don't feel the same.
> Ah yes, introducing a new type nerfing three of the best offensive types and being only weak to steel and poison, all the while not touching water, was totally necessary
Correct.
Fairy has never been as broken as Dragon and Steel and currently it’s still not even the best type in the game.
>S-STALL!!!
Stop playing 6v6 garbage.
>stop playing the game
>If anything nerfing steel by making it no longer resist ghost and dark was the good thing gen 6 did for the type chart
Except that made Ghost just as powerful as steel used to be.
>Fairy has never been as broken as Dragon and Steel and currently it’s still not even the best type in the game.
What planet are you living on?
>Except that made Ghost just as powerful as steel used to be
woah ghost resists 2/3 of the type chart?
>What planet are you living on?
this one, where I actually play the game instead of being a LARPing moron
>rank 1 is a ghost/fairy
>rank 2 is ice/dark
holy frick bros they need to nerf ice type!!!
Alola still had all Pokemon programmed, as well as the traces of grid map designs. Also, fairy created more problems than it solved, so I happen to consider it a net negative change.
>dragon needed another weakness
yes
>fairy was a good addition
lmao. It's even more op than dragon was. What a terrible "fix"
Cause videogames are a technologic medium so it will always be expected for them to do better and more. They don't have any excuse at all to not make better games than what they did before
can't say much about oras. i don't dislike xy but what identity do the kalos games have?
least amount of new pokemon introduced in a region as well as the game just giving you a bunch of old pokemon for free (kanto starter with mega stone, lucario with mega stone, required snorlax encounter early on and lapras) that you can easily coast by the story with. i don't mind the concept of megas but it's kind of baffling how no new 'mons got one outside of diancie, which again just erodes kalos' self identity down to "worship older games"
>but what identity do the kalos games have?
what identity do the sinnoh games have?
Being good
Questions shouldn't be answered with a question.
are you trying to allude to gen 4 giving a number of evolutions to old pokemon that were predominately outdated or unpopular? rhyperior, gallade and dusknoir are probably the least warranted, but only an invalid would think those would be remotely comparable to blowing off more established 'mons like the kanto starters (double for charizard), pseudos like garchomp + tyranitar, lucario and mewtwo (double)
>what identity do the kalos games have?
being good
what do zoomers that started with the 3ds games think of the earlier gens?
I haven't played much of them yet, I got more interested in romhacks, Clover is very fun.
Because they were massive letdowns. XY felt unfinished (mainly because it was), and ORAS wasn't Emerald. This didn't help either.
>mainly because it was
where
Basically all of Zygard had to be delayed to gen 7, despite him being the 3rd legendary of XY.
(You) know where
I actually don’t, and you don’t know either since you can never actually say where it’s unfinished.
>development literally cut short so SM can be released on the 20th anniversary
>multiple dropped plot hooks and the plot holes created by them
>Lysandre's 180 and Team Flare's halfassedness in general
>the rawness of everything beyond the 3rd Gym
>Zygrade's lore and relevance being pushed into SM
>your rival's parents
>the defenders of Kalos
>the dropped Pokemon Contest that dancingboy was clearly meant to rival you in
>AZ
>a whole bunch of underdeveloped characters plots like Melva and Diantha
There are so many things... They were clearly aiming for another BW but had to stop halfway through. I can only assume all passion for it got crushed under the weight of deadlines and expectations.
>development literally cut short so SM can be released on the 20th anniversary
>multiple dropped
[citation needed]
>multiple dropped plot hooks and the plot holes created by them
Name a single example.
>Lysandre's 180
He didn’t 180. His character is extremely static throughout the game. Did you pay attention?
> and Team Flare's halfassedness in general
where
>the rawness of everything beyond the 3rd Gym
Don’t play Johto or Unova, you might start having a meltdown once you realize those regions are entirely made up of gyms that are only one route apart from one another.
>Zygrade's lore and relevance being pushed into SM
Its lore was already in XY. Did you pay attention to the game?
>your rival's parents
What about them?
>the defenders of Kalos
What about it?
>the dropped Pokemon Contest that dancingboy was clearly meant to rival you in
[citation needed]
>AZ
What about him?
>a whole bunch of underdeveloped characters plots like Melva and Diantha
Yes I agree every Pokemon game is shit
Really anon? This is the best you could do?
For X&Y the rivals were miserable, picrel.
For ORAS: it’s a bad omen for “shitty remakes” trend, in addition they cut off many shit from Emrald to be “faithful” to R&S yet they added new mega and changed the Rayquaza plot line… also Zinnia is an insufferable c**t
>they cut off many shit from Emrald to be “faithful” to R&S
MUH BATTLE FRONTIER
Also like half the team hideouts.
the magma hideout didn't need to exist because ORAS only had one team each. this is a complete non-issue and people only bring it up to pad out their complaints when they really only care about muh battle frontier
I like how we’re pretending the gen 3 and 5 rivals aren’t total dogshit
I don't really get it either, especially for ORAS. It is my favorite remake and Gen3 games are the ones I feel most attached to, so it would've been easy to disappoint me.
I think, when it comes to ORAS, many people didn't like how it gave you Lati@s during the adventure (personally, I didn't mind, but I boxed it right away), how the plot was rewritten to accomodate the Mega gimmick (I, on the other hand, think they did a great job with rewriting the characters and story, it felt a lot more bland in Gen3 and I say this despite loving RSE) and how they got rid of the Sky Pillar puzzle.
... Oh, and obviously the lack of Battle Frontier, which I personally do not care about but I get the complaint.
As for XY, it definitely felt too easy and some choices like the E4 not even having 5 Pokémon each was definitely stupid.
The pacing of the plot was a little weird and the eastern part of the region doesn't make much sense geographically speaking, the different biomes seem to change too drastically between the routes.
Some things truly make no sense, like having an extremely snowy route lead to Anistar City, which is followed by one route, one town and another route with zero snow ... Which finally connects to Snowbelle City, a town completely immersed in snow. And Snowbelle, once again, connects to routes that have no snow. It makes zero sense, geographically speaking.
Some places being very pretty and interesting but fundamentally empty, with nothing or very little to do (especially once they served their plot purpose), definitely feel unfinished at best and lazy at worst.
Which is a real shame, because despite everything I did enjoy Gen6 as a whole, including XY, and despite the pet peeve I have with some parts of its map, I really like Kalos as a region and it's probably my favorite after Hoenn and Johto.
I don't think anyone sincerely hates on omega ruby/alpha sapphire. I think they're generally well received upgrades.
>Faithful remake
>Lati flying is decent
>Post game legendary hunt is a thrill for people who've never been able to catch them before
>Makes ok use of DS Tech.
>Origin formes are kino, particularly mega rayquaza.
I stopped play oras because
>shitty new exp share without balancing for it
>less content than emerald
>gifts lati@s for free, when they used to be some of the hardest to catch mons
>shitty new exp share without balancing for it
You could turn it off
>less content than emerald
Fair, if you refer to the Battle Frontier
>gifts lati@s for free, when they used to be some of the hardest to catch mons
You can box Lati@s.
Also, Roaming Legendaries have always been a frustrating and shitty mechanic, they're only cool the first time you find them because it's exciting, but then it becomes a stupid and tedious battle against RNG. Ditching Roaming Legendaries is one of the good things new generations did. At least Galarian Birds and the Genies in PLA are a bit more interesting to hunt down instead of constantly having to reload the same map and check the Dex/Pokétch in the hopes that the stars aligned properly.
Roamers were good in DPPt. You could see them on the map at all times without checking their dex entries (not to mention they don’t even register in the dex before you meet them the first time on gens 2 and 3)
I agree that Roamers in DPPt were better planned, but it is still a kind of encounter I've never enjoyed, personally.
>You could turn it off
>You can box Lati@s
Yes, but when I'm playing the game for the first time I don't know that making it remotely engaging requires a challenge run.
>Fair, if you refer to the Battle Frontier
I turned the game off and never turned it on again after getting Latias, so I only got to like 5 badges, but at that point that's how it was.
>Roaming Legendaries have always been a frustrating and shitty mechanic, they're only cool the first time you find them because it's exciting, but then it becomes a stupid and tedious battle against RNG
You could say that about catching any Pokemon. I think roaming legendaries are kinda cool, but it's not a hill I'm gonna die on. Still there are a lot of steps in between being a roaming legendary and gifting you the pokemon for free. Getting hard to catch legendaries is one of the more rewarding things when playing casually.
>making it remotely engaging requires a challenge run
6 gens and like 10 games later you werent already tipped off?
Nah it started in Gen 6, where playing the normie way still made it easy.
Damn thats crazy. I knew it since Hoenn and then after people said Sinnoh was hard i thought to myself that being hyper intelligent (105iq) i was way above most Pokemon players.
What did he mean by this
I know that Surf does more damage than Water Gun so Pokemon games arent hard for me.
Agreed that the Exp Share could've been gifted to the player turned off as default.
As for Lati@s, dunno, I just box most gift Pokemon I'm given because I don't like to change my team and I tend to be picky with the Balls they're caught in.
As for Roaming Legendaries, yes indeed there are better solutions than gifting the mon to you (I like what they did with Cresselia in BW2 for instance, and as I already mentioned I think Galarian Birds and PLA Genies were a cool replwcement for the roaming mechanic), but I can personally excuse ORAS for it considering you still must catch all others and they thankfully didn't get rid of the Regi puzzles.
>I don't know that making it remotely engaging requires a challenge run.
This was already a problem in the GBA and DS games.
Let'a not forget there are STILL UNRELEASED gen 6 pokemonlike the Floet with its signature move
Casualization
>Casualized shiny odds
>Casualized EVs
>Casualized IVs and natures, making breeding useless
>Removed battle facilities which were previously the only legitimate challenge the games had
>Spammed legendaries and started giving them guaranteed IVs
Basically too much fan service and the games giving you for free stuff that you used to need to work for, effectively lowering the value of shinies, competitive mons and legendaries that were obtained in the first 5 gens. Oh also
>paywalled transfer
>lowering the value of shinies
haha yeah its not like i could get box full of shinies in an hour using radar in gen 4 haha lolz
You can’t. Radar takes skill (and luck). It’s not nearly as broken as modern shit
It is broken and lowered the value of shinies.
At least shiny odds were still all the way down in old games. The only thing lowering the value of shinies is the rarity of shinies actually being objectively lower.
>a-at l-least
Holy cope. Gen 4 totally killed shiny values. Stop defending shit games.
It is broken and killed shiny values. You could argue it started with odd egg in gen 2 but breeding took more time and people didnt know it back then.
If anything masuda method was a problem but you could tell when a pokemon was potentially obtained from it because you could tell it was hatched.
Shinies still very much had value in gens 4 and 5. The only problem was hacked mons.
Masuda takes way more time to get a shiny while with radar you can keep getting same shiny like 6 times with 40 or if you just want 1 you take 19 chain and keep resetting the radar. Its much faster and broken. Completely killing the shiny values.
Yet shinies obtained through the radar were always seen as valuable. They aren’t free at all
If you didn’t invest yourself in gens 1-5 as much as most people I can understand since you wouldn’t have any of those mons that were hard to get but no longer are.
Yeah getting 6 shiny Ponytas with radar just like candy from candy factory were real valuable. Free as the oxygen we breathe.
>If I repeat the same thing over and over again it will become true
Sneed
Legendaries were harder to catch and usually obtainable in a single game or two
Getting good IVs and natures required breeding
Getting good EVs required manually training your mons
Even some event only moves like extreme speed zigzagoon are spoonfed now
I mean sure you can go breed for 24 hours and i radar for 24 hours and lets see how many shinies you get.
>Legendaries were harder to catch and usually obtainable in a single game or two
I caught all available Legendaries in the games I owned (started to slack off a bit with it in Gen6+ though), minus the Legendary beasts in FRLG because as I already mentioned I hate roaming Legendaries and those in particular were kinda broken.
>Getting good IVs and natures required breeding
>Getting good EVs required manually training your mons
Eh, that's probably where my experience differs most, I never cared about IVs in gen2~5 games and only partially cared about natures.
I did attempt EV training at some point during Gen4 times, but I didn't really see the point since the games can be beaten regardless and I didn't play competitive.
So the QoL in this field felt great to me.
> but I didn't really see the point since the games can be beaten regardless and I didn't play competitive
That’s where battle facilities come into play
Yeah, never been a fan of them.
I had fun with Battle Factory, especially in Emerald, but that's the only Symbol I've ever gotten for obvious reasons.
I've never been that big into battles, I get bored after a while. Even moreso in old Gens where npcs clearly had a big advantage on you since getting resources to build competitive Pokemon was a lot harder, especially prior to Gen5.
>If you didn’t invest yourself in gens 1-5 as much as most people I can understand since you wouldn’t have any of those mons that were hard to get but no longer are.
Could you give any example on which mons you refer to, please?
I'm genuinely curious on how my experience might differ despite having been into Pokemon since basically the start. I did notice my opinions tend to clash both with people who blindly praise/excuse everything GF does, and people who are very critical of Gen6+.
It's quite interesting.
It’s not broken at all, back then there were entire forums with people discussing strats to try and get the chains to not break, if anything it turned it from something that is purely RNG to something that also takes skill to accomplish.
Radar is an easier method to do in gen 4 than it is in gen 6, funnily enough.
>Casualized shiny odds
I see why some people would dislike it, but not really a problem.
>Casualized EVs
>Casualized IVs and natures, making breeding useless
Opposite of a problem, it just helped making competitive less of an elite thing, which is good because the real and time-consuming challenge should be learning how to use the competitive Pokemon effectively, not creating them.
>Removed battle facilities which were previously the only legitimate challenge the games had
Battle Facilities besides the Battle Tower (Battle Subway in Gen5) had always been a third game exclusive. They don't exist in RS nor in DP nor in BW. They exist in HGSS just because its Battle Frontier was copy-pasted from Platinum, the same way the Battle Maison was copy-pasted into ORAS from XY.
>Spammed legendaries and started giving them guaranteed IVs
I think Gen5 was the first to spam Legendaries, especially BW2. Them having guaranteed IVs is, again, the opposite of a problem and only makes them less tedious to SR.
Rebranding casualisation as "quality of life" and "less tedious" doesn’t make it not casualisation.
I do not think casualization is inherently a bad thing, though.
Because you were born with it. We weren’t.
You asked why we don’t like gens 6+, that’s your answer. I’m just glad you can’t import gens 6+ mons into gens 1-5, that way we can keep our mons valuable by leaving them in the actually good games.
>Because you were born with it.
No, I was born much earlier (plus I'm not OP), my first game was gen2 and my second one was gen1.
I've never been a hardcore player, that much is true, but I played them all at the time of release with a few exceptions for Gen6+ games.
Yet there are things in gen6+ games I like better, while other things I prefer how they used to be.
>lowering the value of competitive mons
good
compgays deserve all the misery they get
>casualization
It's fricking Pokémon.
>planets-worth if objective criticism
>D-D-DOESN’T COUNT!!!
>2013: XY
>2014: ORAS
>2015: Nothing
>2016: SM
Are there any other years like 2015 where there was no new mainline game at all? Why wasn’t Z or Ultra XY released then?
Because sometime in 2015 Z and Sun/Moon were both unfinished and they were asked to abandon Z to rush the production of Sun/Moon in order for it to release by the end of 2016 on time for the 20th Anniversary.
Speaking of anniversaries, 2025 should be the start of the next gen going by the 3 year cycles, but 2026 is the 30th anniversary, will they actually hold back gen 10 all the way until 2026? Or will Gen 10 just end up as a single set of games in 2025 before they start gen 11 in 2026?
XY was too good so they didnt need to make a cashgrab "new" version of it to fix it.
You got Pokemon Go in 2015
>>2015: Nothing
>SM was still rushed as shit, arguably even more than XY
wew
Also zoomer here
I played HGSS first so these games seemed shit to me
Taken as a set, XY and ORAS might be the best generation:
All non-mythical Pokémon are catchable between the four games up to the full generation 6 national dex.
Mechanics have been optimized with a huge amount of player freedom:
Set mode
Optional Exp Share
Huge variety of Pokémon for team building
Even the speed run of XY is designed around multiple Pokémon.
Berry farming is great
Music is great
3D effect is great
Character customization on XY is great
Post game challenge modes are great
Looker mission story is great
Overall, I think generation 6 will be the most comfortable and relaxing Pokémon experience for years to come, a true deep dive into the Pokémon world. Get two 3DS’s and all four games. You won’t regret it.
I tried playing both XY and ORAS recently and after 2 hours I just had to put them down. Went back to gen 4 and 5 instead.
>All non-mythical Pokémon are catchable between the four games up to the full generation 6 national dex.
same with rby+gsc, rse+frlg and dppt+hgss
>Set mode
every game has this
>Optional Exp Share
bad
>Huge variety of Pokémon for team building
bad
>Even the speed run of XY is designed around multiple Pokémon.
idc
>Berry farming is great
gay
>Music is great
its shitty
>3D effect is great
its ugly
>Character customization on XY is great
that gay
>Post game challenge modes are great
no
>Looker mission story is great
its gay
No, it’s horse shit that ruined the lore and game balance with muh mega powercreep
they 100% utterly destroyed the entire Pokemon timeline up to that point. Like ORAS is supposed to be an alternate timeline in the year 1996.
Oh no. Anyway.
>objective shit is acceptable because other shit has always existed
>[HEADCANON]
Oh no. Anyway.
>why yes, I guzzle dev wiener and memes all day
>schizo ramblings
Good post.
>psycho shitposts
Everyone’s laughing at you.
trainer customization ruined the series and I'm tired of it not getting shit on. Seeing this waste of dev time on BDSP's shitty chibis was the final nail in the coffin for me.
At the VERY least, it should have played a bigger role in XY as wearing more expensive clothing gets you noticed or whatever, and then dropped off and forgotten as that region's gimmick.
>Is it just because they were easier? I don't want to grind like it's final fantasy, just collect creatures, explore the region and battle trainers.
Yes. That's the worst thing about the games but I understand young people don't actually like playing the game or challenges, they just want to see all the content and get to the end. That's how I see kids playing and it's different from older people who want more of a challenge and to "grind" or as we call it "play the game". Other than that the games are not too dissimilar from the games that came before.
This shitty, ugly dog with his weird fleshy tentacle ribbon thingies singlehandedly ruined the entire game.
>I played ORAS first so I can't see past nostalgia.
If you don't remember what the franchise was like before, then you'll never understand. You can replay the old games as much as you want, but you'll never know what it was like to be a pokemon fan back then.
Not that anon but I did
BW forever changed the franchise and 6 was more of the same
XY: bad story, bad villian, burger king kids club of rivals are shit, the game wants you to use megas, while no pokemon from gen 6 can mega evolve, so the new pokemon are shafted. Fairy type became gen 1 psychic 2.0, 3d models were so generic, and desaturated they are bland.
ORAS: as a gen 3 fan, I really disliked Mauville being a building. And the modern bit of being handed a Lati-x-s is eyerolling when you can't use the fly gimmick until after you beat kyogre/groudon, so why give us a legendary for any reason other than to steamroll the game? I do think it is an alright remake, but this was also the game where Masuda came out in an interview that rubbed I and others the wrong way
>Q:We noticed ORAS had a lower difficulty level compared to previous Pokemon games. What bought you to this decision? Any chance that future games will have the possibility to adjust difficulty level as seen in Black and White 2?
>A:(stupid quip) We created a "balanced" game that was suited for our time and age, where everyone is very busy and young people have various means of entertainment. Using smartphones and other devices they can access a great number of games, so the time they dedicate to a single game is less than in the past. The player can choose to keep on playing after the main story and continue to the post-game, where the difficulty rises and there are much more difficult Trainers and challenges to overcome.
>Q:Why wasn't the Battle Frontier in the remakes?
>A:This question is connected with my previous answer. We didn't put the BF in ORAS for this very reason. Interviewer's note: In short he means that they didn't include the BF because only a very small part of the players would have fully appreciated and made use of this feature; nowadays players get bored and frustrated more easily and they aren't interested in things that are so demanding/challenging.
Had to shorten a response for character limit. But the game were appealing to mobile game audiences.
none of this explains why the games are less liked than the GBA or DS games.
it was the beginning of gimmicks and cut content, in the false pretense of better things being added at the sacrifice of quality. Reminder that XY was the FIRST time a game had to be patched because there was a game breaking corrupted save occurring in the main bell and whistle city. (which thinking back on now means that if someone buyst a used copy now can't get the patch to fix anymore now that the shop is gone....)
It would have to be a launch copy more or less. It was added to the later physical releases.
>it was the beginning of gimmicks
Define “gimmick”
>and cut content
Bizarre take. Gen 6 objectively cut less content than Gen 5 did and it even brought back a bunch of things Gen 5 removed.
>berry farming brought back
>contests brought back
>secret bases brought back
>ribbons brought back
>pokeradar brought back
meanwhile what did it remove? uh…seasons?
> Reminder that XY was the FIRST time a game had to be patched
Every single previous gen either had patches between the Japanese and English release or bug fixes acquired through connecting to other games, e.g. the berry glitch in gen 3, you moron. Gen 6 was just the first time it was possible to actually distribute patches online.
> which thinking back on now means that if someone buyst a used copy now can't get the patch to fix anymore
Any current copy of the game has the patch preinstalled, dumbfrick. And it’s not even a game breaking glitch. You can reverse it yourself even without patching.
>Define “gimmick”
"a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business."
>berry farming brought back
>contests brought back
>secret bases brought back
>ribbons brought back
>pokeradar brought back
contests removed, bases removed, and radar removed for a far worse variant in gen 7's QR scans, as to why I stated THE BEGINNING OF, but I guess I should have clarified the cut content being between generations thereafter, so I guess that's on me.
>Every single previous gen either had patches between the Japanese and English release or bug fixes acquired through connecting to other games, e.g. the berry glitch in gen 3, you moron. Gen 6 was just the first time it was possible to actually distribute patches online.
Correct, however said bug wasn't discovered or patched until after release, and by the time that it was made available or fixes were discovered, many players just reset their games anyways... so while correct, that isn't an end all be all.
Any current copy of the game has the patch preinstalled, dumbfrick. And it’s not even a game breaking glitch. You can reverse it yourself even without patching.
>there are still launch copies that exist that don't, so while later ones do have it preloaded, it STILL can be an issue.
damn it fricked the last one, should be reversed.
Bases?
ORAS brought back secret bases, which is gen 6, and in a manner that was pretty well liked by players, where you could make a base and fill it with trainers. Especially when players made blissey farms, where you could farm lvl 100 blissey mons that wouldn't fight back and you could power level pokemon in the end game, if you knew how to do it.
To then be removed after
Also Secret Bases are unlocked when you reach a certain point in the story where it's a mandatory cutscene and you're forced to have one. It also provides you with a bed that's not in RSE to heal your Pokemon. Convenience or another part of ORAS's easy mode casualization, you decide.
Not sure why I forgot ORAS was Gen 6.
> contests removed, bases removed, and radar removed for a far worse variant in gen 7's QR scans
What does this have to do with Gen 6?
>hated
Why so hyperbolic?
I think XY is one of the best Pokemon games up until you beat Gym 2 in terms of pacing . The game after that feels very rushed.
I like the Rogue/Knight/Mage theme for the starters, the box legends actually look really good imho, slick designs that are not nearly as busy as Gen3/4/5. Other mon designs are pretty hit or miss, there are some really nice ones (Aegislash, Dragalgae) but also some absolute stinkers (Slurpuff off the top of my head).
I think Megas were a cool gimmick. I like that the game has a huge dex but no route feels too crowded with different mons - 300 to 450 seems like a sweet spot (BW2 and XY have the best regional dex in the series imho)
The Kanto pandering was a bit annoying but it was at least somewhat subtler than in Gen7
Too easy
Not enough added in/changed for me to justify buying for me when I have emerald version
>Too easy
So were the previous games.
Why do you think so? Because gen 5 doesn't hold your hand like gen 6 does
>Because gen 5 doesn't hold your hand like gen 6 does
This is the funniest bait I’ve seen all week. Bravo.
>Nurses placed on long routes is handholding
Nice b8
>handholding is handholding
That tends to be how it works, yes.
That's not handholding, yawngay.
This is game designers not wanting to fill up the map with Pokemon Centers the way Scarlet and Violet do.
>it’s not handholding because another game holds your hand in a different way
Not an argument.
Do you think that flying back to a Pokemon Center is good level design then? Or just forcing the player to use a bunch of healing items, something you can easily stockpile on at a mart?
The heal spots don't break the immersion and they don't break/trivialize the game either.
> Do you think that flying back to a Pokemon Center is good level design then?
Do you think that exp share not working on your entire party thus making using more than one party member entirely pointless is good game design then?
> they don't break/trivialize the game
Yeah, because gen 5 is so insultingly easy you don’t need them to begin with.
>other games have the same handholding so it’s not handholding
Not an argument.
>thus [headcanon]
Moot point
>Gen 5 is easy
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
>it not fitting the definition of handholding is not an argument
Meds
Ah I see you’ve already been cornered to the “NUH UH” defense of gen 5. Concession accepted.
>handholding isn’t related to handholding
>Ah I see you correctly pointed out my baseless claims are baseless to begin with
Yes
>it’s baseless because ummm I said so
Instead of LARPing as human beings, why don't you morons go back to lebbit? You're already at that point that you out yourselves as morons (by assuming) shit about each other.
>it's baseless because I never substantiated it
Yes. Explain what your image remotely implies.
the game is easy
I don't understand why you replied to a point about healspots not being handhding/gamebreaking with something completely unrelated (the exp share).
It's not handholding, yawngay.
Those doctor and nurse characters would only appear if there wasn't a Pokemon Center nearby. Not only that, but you would have to battle them first in order to get healed.
Most RPGs give you a place to heal when in dungeons or faraway places like that. Calling it handholding is moron, as moronic as being a dedicated shitposter from discord.
If the healing spot in Kanto's Pokemon Tower was replaced with a Nurse trainer, would people complain?
Don't be fooled into thinking the healing NPCs are complaints, it's just one of yawngay's moronic meme arguments.
Don't be fooled into thinking forced exp share is a complaint, it's just one of DSgay's moronic meme arguments.
parroting is an admission of defeat
I think that lower difficulty does play a role but it doesn't tell you the whole story.
Pokémon as a series went from "barely any story, except the one that you create through your gameplay" to "it's all story and gameplay is subservient to it".
That was gradual and overall harmful for the series because it doesn't play well with the main strength of the franchise (its universe), and leads to that "they're interrupting gameplay AGAIN for the sake of the plot" feeling.
The main "flip" happens around Gen 5~7. So a lot of people hate Gen7, plenty hate Gen6, and quite a few hate Gen5.
There's also the "more of the same" effect; Pokémon is a stagnant franchise, and around Gen5~7 they gave up trying to improve its core, opting instead for flashy but ultimately superficial gimmick mechanics.
Legends Arceus feels like a genuine attempt at making the games actually engaging again. A bit too handholdy and the plot is definitely in your face/gets in the way a lot but exploring feels like a lot of fun. I really hope we get a new Legends game that is a bit more polished.
>XY
Rivals are literallywho nobodies that are completely forgettable
Game gives you a KANTOOOOOOO Starter 5 seconds after you start so you have zero reason to use the new pokemon.
First route is also all old gen pokemon so you have no reason to use the shitty numons
Gimmick lead to one of the most broken pokemon ever (Mega Rayquayza)
Entire region is forgettable
The parts that I do remember are either tied to off model r34 (Hex Maniac) or KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (Mewtwo).
The evil team has (somehow) got even LESS of a reasonable motivation for what they do than Galactic.
>ORAS
ORAS is only whined about by contrarian gigahomosexuals who are upset there's no buttsex gaytier so they can pretend they're good at pokemon compshittery because they struggled with it as a 5 year old and can't accept ORAS is the definitive way to play Hoenn.
ok but why should I dislike XY if I like pokemon
Because it throws you onto storyshit railroad like every game after Gen 2 does. Instead of an adventure, you're in a curated movie that forces you down one specific path with no choice, nothing interesting, and only one way to succeed.
I always felt that the hate on XY was undeserved. They were the 3DS games to introduce the most features so the lack of post game was forgivable. Had there been an enhanced version of the game, it would have been up there with Platinum, HGSS, and BW2.
ORAS casualized the Hoenn games to an awful degree. They warp you across the map to make things easier, and hand you a free legendary that can Mega Evolve soon after.
Then ORAS removed everything from Emerald, making it so Emerald ends up being the definitive Hoenn experience due to features and story.
Finally, recycling the Battle Maison was the worst part of the remake. This was the second game in a row with no postgame. It came off as lazy.
Other Pokemon games are just too easy. I'm glad XY doesn't hold your hand.
>I played ORAS first so I can't see past nostalgia. I felt XY was better though...
because it literally is
frontier homosexuals just malding over their rng facility not being added it it's going to be 10 years now in November and the seething continues to this day
>Wally overcomes his illness, grows during his journey, and challenges you as an equal at the Victory Road
>Barry gets revenge on a Galactic admin after failing to protect a legendary and keeps training to defeat his master trainer father
>Serena is just there the whole game and gets depressed
>Maxie/Archie learn the error of their ways after almost destroying the world and make up
>Cyrus commits real terrorism by blowing up a lake, needs legendaries to stop him, and even after losing swears never to quit
>Lysandre kills himself
>Blaziken
>Infernape
>Sceptile
>Torterra
XY is just homosexual overall, rarely does XY ever come out looking the coolest when you do comparisons like this.
>grows during his journey
he literally shows up only 2 times in the entire game after the tutorial lmao
you may as well say serena "grows" during her journey because she becomes more and more depressed over repeatedly losing
>he literally shows up only 2 times in the entire game after the tutorial lmao
The contradiction being?
>you may as well say serena "grows" during her journey because she becomes more and more depressed over repeatedly losing
And that's some homosexual shit if the post wasn't clear.
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>maybe if I lie people will believe my bait!
also kys disgusting iToddler
>lie
Castelia City, Camphrier Town, and Ambrette Town are between gym 1 and 2 of XY
Geosenge Town is between gym 2 and 3 of XY
Dendemille Town is between gym 6 and 7 of XY
Couriway Town is between gym 7 and 9 of XY
Meanwhile in both Johto and Unova after the starting town and tutorial town every single town/city in the game has a gym. In Johto you can literally do gyms 5, 6, and 7 back to back within minutes.
oh you're that moron from the other day saying you can complete gs in 45 minutes
honestly just have a nice day at this point m8 lmao
>>lie
>Castelia in XY
Why should I entertain any post suspected to have been posted by (You) any longer?
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE XY'S OBJECTIVELY SHITTIER RIVALS AND PACING BECAUSE OF MUH INCONSISTENT WHATABOUTISM
Meds
>it’s shittier but I can’t actually say why it’s shittier
hmmmmm
XY's pacing is objectively more inconsistent than previous games anon. There's no way for that to be demonstrated other than you booting up your game. The rivals as well. Their arcs are shittier whith respect to previous friends. "Dude I dance lmao" is pretty fricking weak
> XY's pacing is objectively more inconsistent than previous games anon
It’s only more “inconsistent” than slop like Unova where they rush you through the gyms. It’s the same otherwise.
> "Dude I dance lmao" is pretty fricking weak
Yes just like “dude I’m sick” and “dude I’m a moron who’s always in a rush” and “dude I want to be strong but I use route 1 shitmons and don’t even build a full team the whole game” are pretty fricking weak.
>It’s only more “inconsistent” than slop like [game with more total locations and a more consistent gym campaign]
Yes
>"dude I'm sick"
allowed for an actual arc unlike dancing
>"always in a rush"
on top of, you know, doing other rival things like aspiring to be more like Palmer
>pokemon selection
Gameplay. Not character argument.
To be fair, you can use gameplay to set up character arcs. It's a shame that Pokemon games don't do this fairly often, ironically XY does this well with Lysandre and Team Flare using a lot of Pokemon that can Mega Evolve. Shame everything else about Team Flare is garbage and also that element isn't really brought up in any meaningful way.
Fair point, I'll actually concede and agree here. But in this particular case of rivals choosing their mons, almost all of them are similarly chosen among early game mons for like half of the team at least.
> allowed for an actual arc
bro he shows up two times in the entire game, there is no “arc”.
>H-HE ASPIRES TO BE STRONGER!
every rival does that
>Not character argument.
The Pokemon he uses is part of his character.
>bro he shows up two times in the entire game
That's a good thing, and there is an arc. He overcame his sickness and became a strong trainer. How did Tierno and Trevor become any different by the end of XY's story?
>every rival does that
Not Tierno and Trevor lmao. Even still, Barry did it for personal reasons that were unique and motivated him differently.
>the Pokemon he uses is part of his Character
So tel me one non-champion rival that has a good team by your standards.
Alright, Tierno and Trevor don't really justify their presence in the game with any meaningful interactions with you or the plot, nor do they set up anything interesting by their existence. In comparison, using the examples of May/Brendan and Wally from the Hoenn titles, May/Brenden show up for enough of the game to make you think they're the real rival, only for Wally (who you might have forgotten about by that point) shows up as a twist. I'd argue that the two of them combined are more effective than Silver's nothing story, although Blue as a rival is pretty solid. Even comparing to some games fairly near XY, Bianca in BW has a fully realized character arc and Cheren is reasonably close, and USUM Hau is a solid inversion of the Red/Blue rivalry. Yeah you've got some duds like Hugh's motivation not really landing and SM Hau missing enough character development to make almost every scene with him a waste of fricking time, but XY has two characters that are arguably worse than SM Hau. At least Calem/Serena have their whole shtick with wanting to be the ones who get to use Megas, and Shauna is a cute girl (which is arguably done better in the Ohmori titles but whatever).
> Tierno and Trevor don't really justify their presence in the game with any meaningful interactions with you or the plot
Neither do May/Brendan/Wally. Or Cheren/Bianca for that matter. All of those characters could be deleted from the game and the plot would literally be the same.
Except no. They actually have their own sub-plots. Tierno and Trevor are just friends that tag along for the lulz.
> They actually have their own sub-plots
So do Tierno and Trevor. Tierno wants to collect dancing Pokemon and Trevor wants to travel the world because his parents left him.
Those are present in the beginning and do not change whatsoever by. the end. That's not an arc. That's literal random NPC tier shit.
>I want to become strong
>wait there’s more to life than being strong?
>hurrr ok I’ll just…become stronger
wow what an amazing deep and interesting character. Truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality.
Well no, Alder asking him "why" led him to ponder what it actually means to be strong, not whether or not he should be strong. It's obvious you're a boomer or a speedreader. Or a chronic Youtube Shorts addict.
That's not even a correct description of the character lol.
It's hilarious how hard you try to look smart just to write some moronation.
>the rival learned what a word means
wow what an amazing deep and interesting character. Truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality.
Well no, he learned what it meant to be strong within the context of being a Pokemon Trainer. And that's not just in titles. He then became a teacher and gym leader to encourage other trainers to improve their Pokemon-people bond and now is more anti-crime, fighting team plasma more directly. It also leads to a visual makeover with him looking less nerdy. Everything you need for a solid character arc is there anon. It is truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality, where all you get is "LMAO I LOVE DANCING" at the beginning of your journey and "LMAO I LOVE DANCING" at the end.
>Well no, he learned what the word means
>being strong is…stepping aside to be a cuck and teaching other people to be strong
wow what an amazing deep and interesting character. Truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality.
>Well no, he learned what the word means in the context of the game and that changed his fundamental philosophy about what's right and wrong and his new place in society
>being strong is not measured in trophy accomplishments the /vp/ man child would have wanted but rather making a difference in the lives of as many pokemon and people around you as you can, therefore having true strength and influence as a positive force for good
Seems Alder didn't get to you in that moment. Cheren is truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality, especially when there's nothing more to Tierno than fricking dancing no matter what stage of the journey you are on.
>and that changed his fundamental philosophy about what's right and wrong
yeah he changed his fundamental philosophy from being strong to....being strong. wow what an amazing deep and interesting character. Truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality.
>yeah he changed his fundamental philosophy from being strong in an empty sense of a trophy seeker to being strong in a fulfilling sense of making a difference in the lives of as many pokemon and people around you as you can, therefore having true strength and influence as a positive force for good
Indeed, Cheren was truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality, especially when there's nothing more to Tierno than DANCING LMAO no matter what stage of the journey you are on.
>seeking trophies isn't fulfilling because...uh....it just isn't
wow what an amazing deep and interesting character. Truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality.
>having a meaningless life and selling your soul and only existing for a title isn't fullfilling
Yes. Glad you agree Cheren was truly leaps and bounds above XY in quality, especially when there's nothing more to Tierno than DANCING LMAO no matter what stage of the journey you are on.
>Zoomer here, why are these games hated compared to the GBA and DS games?
XY aren't hated except by Gen V zoomers.
ORAS is hated because they did nothing better than Emerald.
XY is/was received more favorably than BW. But it's unfinished/rushed and has a tiny dex with little stand-outs.
Where are you getting that from? Across the internet people typically agree XY is crappy.
I'm playing through Y atm for the first time and I am enjoying it quite a bit
Pros: I think the new Pokemon are really cool some really fun designs and typings
I do like the concept of the friends each going for their own thing with Pokemon
The map is quite cool it's nice and sprawling with varied locations
Introduced fairy type which was much needed as a proper answer for dark type and for an additional dragon weakness
Cons: Flare just straight up suck although I think the reason might be that they knew they would ever be able to top N and any game released after gen V would have comparisons between N and the other villians so they bothered not trying
while the concept of the friends is interesting things have gotten repetitive with Calem being like "battle me" every time we entered a new town
Mega evos are probably the worst battle gimmick introduced. Terastallization is so vastly superior
The game is a bit too easy
Everything is a straight up downgrade from gen V
Most ambiguous genwargay.