i am sick and tired of skill based matchmaking, why can't just get put in with randoms like we used to??
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i am sick and tired of skill based matchmaking, why can't just get put in with randoms like we used to??
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I'm not going to lie, I'll never understand FPS dudes complaining about skill based matchmaking
I guess the mentality of someone who played more stuff like fighting games is just too different from FPS players
Stomping kids into the dirt and hearing their screams of rage can be fun.
because i don't want to always be forced into try hard mode just because the game realizes I'm good enough to have to go against metagays that want to only play optimally or "to win." sometimes I just want to relax and frick around, only ranked should have skill based matchmaking
>I just want to relax and frick around
>I also demand that I win every single match I take part in
Just take the loss. If you're fricking around why do you care?
>You're only mad because you're losing!
Frick off playing with spergs is actively not fun
They won’t be able to answer this with anything that supports their argument.
i want to win some lose some in a match, not curbstomp then blown the frick out in different matches
>i want to win games and also lose games
>but i dont want to win games and also lose games
Mh
i want to tie consecutive matches through skillful playing, and not be paired with teammates that carry me or i carry them.
No, I just enjoy being able to use tools that wouldn't work in higher levels of play because of how tryhard other players would be
>Man I'd love to play football
>Go on to field
>Pick up ball
>Complete homosexual kicks your knee in
>Um If YoU'Re JuST hERe 2 Hav fUN WhY DO You CaRE!
in that scenario they would the beat the shit out of him for being an butthole for no reason
unless you were the butthole first and everyone thinks he was justified?
News flash moron, matchmaking doesn't quarantine those homosexuals out which is why people hate it.
It quarantines the tryhard homosexuals. People ITT are just buttmad that they got put in the tryhard bracket after curbstomping noobs with meta builds. Now they actually have to try to get a win and they can't take a loss for some dumbass reason.
>matchmaking good
>unless you win
>then you should be matched with unwinnable scenarios
face it, their SBMM algorithm is shittier than just randomizing the competitors
I know you morons are really fricking autistic like the only thing more moronic would be an orgy on a sped center field trip to a theme park, but frick is it exhausting to have to explain literally every three seconds that it's not about winning or losing, it's that the quality of the game plummets IMMENSELY when you're dealing with autistic homosexuals that have literally zero interest in actually enjoying a game and just want their number go up.
So you're fine being the autistic homosexual shitting on noobs? Seems like you just can't take what you're dishing out.
You have no argument other than wanting to punch down for fun.
Are you so fricking moronic do you think you can "win" a conversation? That by being so fricking moronic you exhaust the person you're talking to and they leave that's some kind of "victory"?
So you have no argument and just resort to attacking the other party? As to be expected of someone who can only find enjoyment in smurfing.
>accused of attempting to win a conversation
>awards himself self bonus points
but it does anon
your just someone who needs to be quarantined out, thats why you think it doesn't do its job
YOU are the unsavory person who wants to punch down on new players
>food metaphors
>Um If YoU'Re JuST hERe 2 Hav fUN WhY DO You CaRE!
and he damn right
>>If YoU'Re JuST hERe 2 Hav fUN WhY DO You CaRE!
That's a legitimate question.
>decide to have fun
>"hey let's kick and report anon he's being useless"
>banned
MUH K/D!
>I want to frick around
You mean you want to kick sand on some toddlers for enjoyment? Just admit you only have fun when it's a guaranteed win.
I know this is really hard for you to understand, with your literal 5 year old tier level of cognition, but other people want different things.
>I don’t want to have to try hard
>I do however, want the lower skilled players playing against me to have to try really hard
>give morons a false sense of being good at the game by putting them against other morons
>put them against normal people where they realize how shitty they are
okay
>sometimes I just want to relax and frick around
Quit talking so broadly and non specifically like a bitter jackass. Playing video games in itself is to "relax and frick around," so how the hell do you know if the players you're losing to aren't also relaxing and fricking around? Video games, like all other competitive past times, are played for fun. You call others tryhards yet you're the one who looks like a petty tryhard because you're upset about being matched with people who have an equal chance of beating you.
>oh you're better than the average player
>here, play against the diamond players that will consistently outplay you if aren't always on top of your shit and trying to go hard
very fun and relaxing, truly
Alternatively.
>oh you're better than the average player
>here, carry these fricking morons, yes, all 5 of them.
If I'm trying to do ranked, yes that would be awful, in a casual setting I probably wouldn't care and just laugh that my team is that bad unless the other team just also had good players and i couldn't do anything at all
This argument is so tired and dumb. You're literally saying you want to relax and have fun by playing against people of lower skill than yourself, so you don't have to "try". Which is fine in a single player game, just drop it down to easy. But in an online game your enjoyment comes at the expense of other, less skilled players, unless they are masochistic
Because every match ends up feeling the same, with the same level of sweat.
forced 50/50 inherently feels bad thanks to negativity bias
The issue is that lobbies are also disbanded at the conclusion of the match, traditionally MMR would only factor into the initial matching and every subsequent game the teams would be shuffled based on score in the previous game, so the quality and fairness of matches gradually improved the longer you played and this encouraged the formation of friendship and rivalries as well.
Instead every game is a new matchmaking session and is now balanced based on the distribution of players with the smallest possible difference in the sum of every players rank in a given bracket, in theory this produces a mathematically balanced game every time, in practice you get one team with players at the absolute top and bottom of a given bracket and another with all the players in the middle, and those borderline players either get promoted or demoted to the next bracket where they are now at the top or bottom again and get an equally badly balanced game, this also completely destroys the social aspect.
It's just a bad system.
FPS used to have community run servers with all sorts of mods, settings and communities that were way more fun to play.
Because the elephant in the room is that a lot of FPSs are just not that enjoyable when the entire lobby is full of medium to high-skill players. I'm not defending people crying about SBMM, I'm just saying that it becomes a grind when you can barely tread above a 1.0 K/D.
Zoomies never got to experience the dedicated server days.
Matchmaking is just putting random buttholes together with no reputation and no consequences. It is nothing but low quality matches over and over again.
In dedicated servers you would keep playing games with a loose collection of people. There is a reason to not be a complete piece of shit. On top of that players made a variety of servers. You had servers that encouraged trolling and bullshit, you had servers that discouraged it. You had noob servers that kicked you for being too good and pro servers that kicked you for being trash. Eventually you found the right server.
A big part of the reason people remember TF2 is that it was the last big hurray of dedicated servers.
Games have to be balanced because there is always a sweaty moron in every lobby who tryhards and thinks he is cool for it. They make a casual game suddenly competitive, its like that one scout on 2fort that is really good and runs for the objective over and over while killing frendlies.
You bastards made it this way now eat it up and dont complain. There has been enough noob blood spilled so far
Not just mentality, it's also the fact that 1v1 fightan games are just different from 6v6/12v12 shooters. If you do a 1v1 in any game, you probably want someone around your skill level, that's optimal for enjoyment. 12-24 players (or more) of similar decent skill in a shooter just turns into an esports match, and esports is shite.
>fighting games
>1v1
>fps games
>team based
Pretty huge difference there. SBMM is good for 1v1s, not so much for team games. Has nothing to do with "mentality," you moron.
You'll find that skill based matchmaking gets more complaints the sihttier it is.
Rainbow Six Siege had a perfect strategy of using some copper 4 account to bring the whole team down to stomp on people.
Regular casual matches also consisted of platinums stomping on another team, you either had to deal with the former or get kicked around like a football in the latter.
the fact of the matter is, fps players are sensitive b***hes who can't handle getting gud and would rather stomp children all day in their dedicated servers, inflating their k/d whereas fighting games inherently encourage the opposite mentality ---continously fighting players better than you and seeing your personal growth as the motive for your enjoyment
Serious question, when did it become okay to punish good players by putting them in a quarantine zone? If I'm good at the game, why should I not be rewarded with winning more?
I wonder what happened to the guy in that pic, imagine being the living meme of a weak white dude
That's a man?
They became Scott the Woz.
I just hate forced matchmaking dogshit in general. I know zooms don't remember this but even console games used to have server browsers
>Play too good for two games
>Stuck with people cheating until my gamer credit score drops down enough to play with people actually there because they like the game and not because they NEED their top scoreboard position to give themselves a reason to not kill themselves
Please make it stop
If you want to win by pulling a lever and hoping for a jackpot, go to the casino.
>It's only about winning you're mad you're not winning reee you're a loser you're a loser and that's why you're mad because you lost and didn't win you can't dislike me I won at videogames
the only people who call it skill based matchmaking are call of duty shitlords who want to punch down on new players while they sweat their balls off and don't want to play balanced matches
everyone else in literally every genre of game, including FPS games, always wanted balanced matches of players of equal skill
even server based games still had many servers implementing rating systems and trying to organize fair & balanced games so that people can have high quality matches between good players
literally name me a game except console shooters where people don't want balanced matchmaking systems
they also don't call it skill based match making, just matchmaking because thats the fricking point of matchmaking, it was never random
This. Unless you're a homosexual that can only have fun when he's winning, being matched with players who are below your skill level is boring as hell.
You'll only get a team on your own skill level in 30% of games and only if you have a consistent winning or losing streak so you move to the middle of a given skill bracket, this is due to every match being a new matchmaking session based on the most equal distribution of player ranks for a given bracket.
You will also NEVER get any enemy team on your own skill level.
>literally name me a game except console shooters where people don't want balanced matchmaking systems
I don't want matchmaking at fricking all you moron.
The problem isn't the matchmaking. It's the lack of dedicated servers.
Have friends, create local lobby.
git gud
I just want to play Warcraft 3 and CS with unskilled players for a fun. Hardcore no scope 360 Jackshits can frick off. Same shit with fightings.
i wish Warcraft 3 wasn't, raped and killed
This is the same as a grown man playing in a tee ball league.
>I just want to frick around
>I don't want to have to try to win
>I love having fun at the expense of everyone else.
It's a pretty hollow match when you're basically playing against a brick wall.
i like to imagine real life has skill based matchmaking and the better you are the better your life ends up being
Play Planetside 2, is a fun shitfest with noobs and 'pros' in the same fight
>queue rated game
>it's skilled based matchmaking
>queue casual game
>it's also skilled based matchmaking
Overwatch in particular can go frick itself.
>Overwatch just came out
>had the closed beta so I'm already pretty good at the game
>get up to diamond in ranked pretty quickly
>go to play with my friends in quickplay
>they are all low rated casuals
>every game is us getting shitstomped
>entire enemy team matches my ranked rating despite us playing in a casual mode
>it's 1 diamond + 5 casuals vs 6 diamond players every time without fail
>am forced to leave so my friends can actually enjoy the game
non skill based matchmaking doesn't exist, the entire point is to match you with people your skill
Did you entirely miss most of handheld and console gaming?
>non skill based matchmaking doesn't exist
you are too young to be on this site
some types of matchmaking that would qualify as not being skill based:
>first come first served
>random sample
>playtime based
>purchase history based
>gameplay selection based (character, role, et cetera)
TF2 before meet ur match
>Join match in 3 seconds
>Noobs get to learn how to play by seeing good players
>Pros get to relax or tryhard against other pros
>If the team is losing, noobs teamswitch and new, possibly good players fill the losing team
>Short map change because teams don't disband
TF2 after match ur shit
>5 min queue
>Games are one-sided as shit despite muh matching system
>Can't teamswitch on will so noobs are stuck in the losing team until the end
>Team always disbands, making you wait another queue
Shooting games aren't actually fun is what I'm understanding from this thread.
>why can't just get put in with randoms like we used to??
Because people on the other end of an ass stomping arent having fun? Play against npcs on easy difficulty if you want to pubstomp your shitty game
why do you assume there's asses getting 'stomped' instead of a balanced game that can end in ties frequently?
>a balanced game that can end in ties frequently?
But thats literally what matching players of even skill gives you??? If you have a 1:1 win/loss ratio, then matchmaking is working perfectly. Its when its completely random that complete shutouts happen, because experts get paired with noobs. Theres a reason these candy asses make 'smurf' accounts, because theyre too big of pussies to fight a fair fight.
>arent having fun
it's called leave the game and join another one
unless you're a gay who plays ranked and doesn't want his 10 minute leaver cooldown
It's poor implementation of matchmaking. A lot of times it won't be every single player being on equal footing. It will be shitters being paired up with better players to force a win or loss to prevent streaks.
why does that matter aside from in games with low populations? I do however dislike that almost no games feature server browsers or custom rule settings these days. I legitimately don't understand why not as it would just increase the lifespan of the games.
Remember when you could host your own server in an FPS game?
git gud
Dedicated servers was already a perfect solution to this problem, but companies decided to just inflict centralized cancer into their games.
Want to be a tryhard? Join a clan server and get people who want to practice and play high level games.
Want to play randos? Just jump onto any public server and get into it.
Want to frick around and do completely absurd shit? Go to the server with a million mods installed and play ridiculous game modes and laugh at all that shit.
Centralized is terrible because it punishes everyone for not wanting to play like an esports league dweeb.
Servers put control of the game in the hands of players - and companies hate that shit with a passion.
This is why server based multiplayer is superior. You get to know regular players and can try hard if you want or frick around if you want. It also filters out the toxic gays who play just to aggravate others. This is why TF2 servers were so good. They were so laid back and chill that you could have a legit political discussion with some random stranger (all in good faith) simply because the environment was tailored to the player’s enjoyment rather than training the player to be the best sniper in the entire world.
Frick skill based matchmaking. Multiplayer aren’t for mastering, they’re for sharing spontaneous fun with others. Im not getting paid for that shit so why should I have to feel stressed? Bring back servers.
>i am sick and tired of skill based matchmaking, why can't just get put in with randoms like we used to??
>make one single mistake
>get kicked
frick off
This. The votekick system needs to be ripped out of this game. Find a different way to punish griefers
>punish griefers
It helps griefers too
Can't votekick you until the random vote they made goes through. Makes for a convenient delay
Amazing idea anon! jk your moron.
I'm not absolute dogshit at apex legends, so if I play casual lobbies, I get matched up with people around my level, and then a couple of pros/streamers (who play the game literally all day)procede to obliterate the entire lobby. Trust me, It ain't fun.
when someone says they hate skill based matchmaking that tells me they are a baby that can't handle losing at a videogame.
Matchmaking is moronic