Tell me about shmups, are they actually good or just style over substance?

Tell me about shmups, are they actually good or just style over substance?

  1. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    they're fun and simple and it's easy to get why they're so fun and popular

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >popular
      Anon, I....

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        yes, Undertale is popular

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Is it?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Unfortunately.

  2. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Genre almost as bad as fighting games

  3. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    It depends entirely on the game in question. The only constant is that the genre puts gameplay first and the gameplay primarily revolves around simple controls and tight execution.

  4. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    my only peeve about them is that most of them give you no reason to actually let go of the fire button except in times where rapid fire only allows so many shots on screen at once to cause a lag in shots at probably undesirable times
    otherwise it's just a common pitfall in design of these kinds of games that i'm not really a fan of and would be easily mitigated by having autofire set meaning all you really need to do is work the dpad/stick

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      I can agree with that. A lot of games have charge attacks from holding the shot button instead of tapping it, but it'd probably be better to have that charge work by just not pressing the shot button at all.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      it's more the opposite
      the substance is the style

      cave does a pretty good job with fire modes imo

      Didn't people finally get Saidaioujou running on mame? Not the meme version but the actual game

      yes but mame removed it because they got dmca'd by some chinese megagarden gnome who bought the rights to sdj

      *is the best bullet hell game in your path*

      this is basically esprade 2 right?

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >this is basically esprade 2 right?
        Spiritual sequel/successor, but completely different scoring system/ gameplay mechanics.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      A handful of modern shmups actually address this, by letting you invert the fire key so that holding it stops your fire instead of starting it. IMO every shmup should include that option.
      But yeah, it's annoying, though it's not too hard to resolve on your own. I have an Autohotkey script that infinitely mashes Z when Numlock is active and it works nicely.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      My favorite is Reflex because it doesn't actually do that, granted there's a shield that invalidates most moves (except for missiles, which are spammed decently often so you can't rely on the shield forever) but the game is built around using it to reflect shots back at the enemy, needlessly spamming attack slows your shield recharge down to a crawl so sometimes it's actually better to hold off and let it charge up so you can either tank through an otherwise undodgable attack or deal greater damage than usual by reflecting multihit lasers.
      It's pretty neat, now if only I wasn't garbage at it, my skills in shmups are genuine trash

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        sounds like you need to play Shmups Skill Test by Triangle Service.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          I have suddenly aquired a new game.
          Also forgot to say, but Reflex has some pretty good music too

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            do you have a steam or discord?

            this is the skills test & eschatos person, I'd like to talk shmups with someone

            I like the rtype series. Delta in particular has a bangin ost.

            R-Type Delta rules, I personally really like the R-Type LEO OST as well. Check this out:

  5. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    There's like 10 iconic ones and a sea of shitty ones.
    Just play Ikaruga, Jamestown, crimson clover, and every shmup that was on the NES, SNES, or Genesis that looks like it's set in the future or is quirky and Japanese and you've played all the best ones
    >Touhou
    Sure, whatever

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >iconic
      >jamestown

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, fair enough, it sets itself apart though and you can get it for like a dollar or just pirate the fuckin thing.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Oh fuck kill me, Gunstar Heroes/Gunstar Super heroes, Turrican (the whole fuckin series), and Alien Soldier if we want to get real fuckin loose on what we define as a Shmup

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        None of those are shmups.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          bump

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Eat my fuckin period bro

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >google says it so it's right
            Would you also call them action adventure games because Google does?

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Yes

              >no mention of Gradius, Darius, R-Type, or Ray series
              ur a faget

              I said every shmup on NES SNES and Genesis. They're there bub

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                The best R-Type (Delta), best Gradius (Gaiden), best Darius (G or Gaiden), and the entirety of the Ray series are all 32-bit.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >best Darius (Burst)
                fixed

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                I can concede there. Guess I was thinking more of the oldies.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        i call those "run 'n guns" even though it's not a particularly wide net for those kinds of games and may accidentally include or exclude megaman for example

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          I hear ya bud. I was being real loose. I'll accept none of em are autoscrolling shmups like we're really talking about, buuuuuuut I'd be real pissed if I'd never played any of em and missed out because of my rigid expectations for a new game

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >No CAVE
      Anon, I...

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't people finally get Saidaioujou running on mame? Not the meme version but the actual game

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          it's more the opposite
          the substance is the style

          cave does a pretty good job with fire modes imo
          [...]
          yes but mame removed it because they got dmca'd by some chinese megagarden gnome who bought the rights to sdj
          [...]
          this is basically esprade 2 right?

          Well lucky for us someone archived it. It's for Mame 239.

          https://mega.nz/file/6Rh1Ea6b#6RH2jrEt43EhFKbI-rXg8KCvrDFnhG8wGsjOzDPUguM

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >no mention of Gradius, Darius, R-Type, or Ray series
      ur a faget

  6. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I will always like ikaruga. That's about it. Raiden was fun as well but nothing especially memorable to me.

  7. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >The Virgin Japanese Shmup
    -autistic and obsessive
    -one hit and you're dead
    -lucky to get five different weapon types
    -designed to eat quarters
    -linear from start to end
    -if 'Congratulations' is spelled in proper English it's an above-average ending sequence
    -primarily praised for its soundtrack
    -player has to constantly defend himself against accusations of cheating or be ostracized from the fanbase
    >The Chad Tyrian
    -plays for fun
    -big fat HP, shield, AND armor bars
    -virtually unlimited combinations of weapon upgrades
    -free as in beer AND freedom
    -also has a secret beer minigame and non-linear gameplay elements
    -pages and pages of in-game lore, deep compelling storyline with dozens of characters
    -the Alexander Brandon soundtrack isn't even the most notable aspect
    -so easy that no one doubts the player when he claims to have beaten it

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >HP bar and easy difficulty are le good because... they just are, OKAY?!

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      We all know why Ross Scott likes Tyrian, why don't you tell us why you like it? You have played it, right?

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        First played it almost 20 years ago, it's fun, why don't you play it?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >-big fat HP, shield, AND armor bars
      Literally a downside. True shmup players are fine with "3 lives, no continues, YOLO"
      >-so easy that no one doubts the player when he claims to have beaten it
      Also literally a downside. Who plays shmups that are easy? That's why Bullet Soul and Thunder Force 6 fucking sucked.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Who plays shmups that are easy?
        People that play games for fun and not e-clout

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Same logic would dictate that easy mode is the best way to play Devil May Cry. Fucking double gay.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Devil May Cry
            I don't play that genre, twin sticks are too much for me

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Thank you for confirming that your posts are bait, I was starting to worry that the entirety of the new generation has Down syndrome.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                I just don't like 3D action games unless they're first-person or very simple. I've never managed to beat the first level of Mario 64 either.

  8. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I still don't get Darius Gaiden or G, they just feel weird

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >G
      >Use the alpha beams. The game gives you plenty of purple orbs, and it's also important to score well.
      >Beam counters are essential to quickly kill bosses. Otherwise they take forever to die. If you want to play for score though, you want to drag out the bosses for as long as possible.
      >always make sure to capture an enemy. They're good as both additional firepower as well as a meatshield to protect your shield.
      >as for stage selection, top stages=easiest, bottom stages=hardest.
      It's a really fun game when it clicks. I also had trouble at first since it feels pretty weird when you don't know what you're doing.

  9. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    So a lot of people here have played Ikaruga, but how many have played the REAL best Dreamcast shmup? (Pic related)

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      shit yeah

  10. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    *is the best bullet hell game in your path*

  11. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >are they actually good or just style over substance?
    They can be good but the only reason anons like one shmup over another is for entirely superficial reasons, so in this context the latter.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >entirely superficial reasons
      Don't look at me, I play them for the gameplay mechanics.

  12. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Still the best Square game.

  13. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    It is not for everyone. Easy difficulty is good to get into but everything will be the same. There is a lot of difference between how you approach different patterns on higher difficulties. Some of them also have (multiples) gimmicks.

  14. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Used to be. Now it's just weeb fucktards cooming over little girls.

  15. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I quite like ESCHATOS, ESPrade, ESPgaluda II is fun as well, so is Ketsui

    I'm still waiting for a Guwange and Akai Katana port to switch, or something.

    Luckily we at least got some Toaplan goodies from M2. Hishouzame and Tiger Heli are neat.

    please play ESCHATOS. it's good.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      how is the ost?

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        it's by Yousuke Yasui, who also did the music for Mamoru-kun Curse!, which you may or may not be familiar with.

        the kind of synth he uses in his music is unmistakable. ESCHATOS is already good mechanically but Yasui's music makes the experience and learning grind so much better.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          soul

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, Yasui's tracks indeed have soul to them.

            You can also hear his music in Natsuki Chronicle and Ginga Force.

  16. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I like the rtype series. Delta in particular has a bangin ost.

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