If he's a brat no one would follow him. Clearly the soldiers thought otherwise. It's mentor's job to guide his pupils and Uther failed spectacularly and doubling so as a retainer.
>If he's a brat no one would follow him. Clearly the soldiers thought otherwise.
Are you moronic? Soldiers don't choose who to follow.
Arthas is royalty and a high ranking officer based on the fact that he's royalty.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mutiny.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Arthas is royalty and a high ranking officer based on the fact that he's royalty.
The entire dialogue at the start of culling disproves this, or at least shows that he doesn't outrank Uther. >Watch your tone with me boy, you may the prince but i'm still your superior as a paladin
Uther literally tells him that strictly speaking, he is Arthas' superior.
When Arthas ordered him to purge Stratholme (yes, he gave an order to a superior officer). >Damn it, Uther! As your future king, I order you to purge this city!
Uther told him to frick off, Arthas then pulled the "I'm the prince, therefore i'm your king one day" card. >Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and the sovereignty of my crown, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your paladins from service.
Arthas argues that because he will be one day the supreme commander, that Uther (and his men) should follow his command, despite being outranked by Uther.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Being a high ranking officer militarily by virtue of noble blood does not necessarily mean he gets to outrank uther as a paladin within their religious order. Military/government =/= religious knightly order. The king may have supreme command over everything but the prince may still be subject to his seniors in the scope of his duties as a paladin.
He could maybe theoretically give people orders as the heir apparent, but cannot in his position of paladin. There isn't really a conflict there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
All power is theoretical until applied. People there clearly
One problem is that it was never clear how many people were infected in the first place. Another problem is that killing random civilians will just leave more corpses to be turned in to the Undead. In the cutscene after the mission they clearly show survivors burning bodies, meaning not everyone was infected, and Arthas didn't bother burning them to prevent them from being resurrected by necromancers. Also, the zombification only works if they ate the grain in the first place according to the game.
One solution is just to escort as many people out of the city as possible and quarantining the ones they know to be infected. It would have been way easier too, considering Arthas would have the help from the rest of his men, Jaina and her forces, and Uther and his paladins.
>One solution is just to escort as many people out of the city as possible and quarantining the ones they know to be infected. It would have been way easier too, considering Arthas would have the help from the rest of his men, Jaina and her forces, and Uther and his paladins.
No time, Mal'Ganis had attacked, no means to determine if someone's infected, very high risk of the infected breaking free and attacking your army which is now compromised because they're in quarantine mode instead of combat mode
2 years ago
Anonymous
Arthas managed to fight off Malganis with his splintered forces AND purged the city. With the help of everyone that left him, specifically Uther and all his paladins, stomping out Malganis would be a cake walk. With that in mind you can easily assign knights, priests, and paladins to escort groups of civilians out. Anyone that starts turning will just be killed on sight.
It also avoids the issue of leaving behind unburned corpses that bolster the undead forces.
Brats aren't willing to sacrifice themselves. Brats don't risk their lives for the sake of others. Brats don't endure long sieges against massive hordes.
Arthas had a lot of problems and flaws, but brattishness wasn't one of them. He didn't think too much of himself, he expected too much of himself, and he inevitably reached a breaking point.
Imagine thinking humanity stood a chance in the first place. Lordaeron was lost to the plague before anyone even knew it. Literally nobody in the entire kingdom could do jack shit about it. I don't know why people blame Arthas so much. At least he tried.
>I don't know why people blame Arthas so much.
Because he fricked absolutely everything up by refusing to listen to anyone in favor of constantly playing right into the hands of the giant demon that was leading him to getting frostmourne and becoming the avatar of the lich king? He also then PERSONALLY slays the king and, again, hands the kingdom to the Scourge on a silver platter.
Arthas literally did everything wrong and Lordaeron falling is 100% on his stupidity.
So you think that Lordaeron would've survived a zombie plague if Arthas had just been a good paladin? That all those people freely being turned into zombies would magically just stop being a problem?
>young prince is going through a hard time >i know, being the wise old mentor that i am, i'll abandon him on his quest and i'll take his hot girlfriend with me
uther was a chad
before he died he should have told arthas what it was like to frick jaina
>basedboy developer shares his stupid opinion and now mental midgets think they have a point
Arthas was right.
Arthas did nothing wrong.
Seethe cope and dilate.
I cannot get behind the "thought" process of someone who would not purge Stratholme. You've been indoctrinated by fricking shonen anime and marvel movies, things will not all magically go well if you only do the "right" (pussy) thing.
because dispel disease is a spell that exists in-universe and even when the zombie plague hit in world of warcraft before WotLK even some amateurish priest or paladin in his early level 20s or so could dispel it effortlessly
The plague of undeath is a highest tier disease that is undispellable. The entirety of the Forsaken toiling for decades could not find a way to undo it, only duplicate the formula or improve on it in some situations. If you get infected with it, it's straight to hell with you after you die, no ifs and buts about it. Out of all the retcons WoW had suffered , that one thing had remained a constant. The plague of undeath was incurable.
One problem is that it was never clear how many people were infected in the first place. Another problem is that killing random civilians will just leave more corpses to be turned in to the Undead. In the cutscene after the mission they clearly show survivors burning bodies, meaning not everyone was infected, and Arthas didn't bother burning them to prevent them from being resurrected by necromancers. Also, the zombification only works if they ate the grain in the first place according to the game.
One solution is just to escort as many people out of the city as possible and quarantining the ones they know to be infected. It would have been way easier too, considering Arthas would have the help from the rest of his men, Jaina and her forces, and Uther and his paladins.
He was in the right up to the moment he picked up Frostmourne. He didn't even need the sword, as it's entirely possible to wipe Mal'Ganis' base out with nothing but mortar teams and knights.
>it's entirely possible to wipe Mal'Ganis' base out with nothing but mortar teams and knights.
And you can kill Archimonde with a bunch of goblin land mines. Gameplay isn't always consistent with plot.
purging stratholme was the objectively correct decision but at the same time murdering a bunch of helpless peasants clearly started his descent into madness and made him much easier to corrupt
it's not really hindsight because arthas already had experience with undead in hearthglen and knew how dangerous they were
Yeah sure but give me some ways to, you know, not letting undead overrun the entire fricking region.
Without killing them of course.
I don't even remember if they did have a cure after Arthas became the Lick King.
there's still no cure, in wow the forsaken have been researching cures for years and have come up short every time
Yeah sure but give me some ways to, you know, not letting undead overrun the entire fricking region.
Without killing them of course.
I don't even remember if they did have a cure after Arthas became the Lick King.
Every Arthas apologist has to first pretend there's absolutely no in between with "kill literally everyone in this city" and "lie down and let the scourge devour my wiener and then the entire world."
There isn't. You either kill them before they turn or you have to deal with an entire city's worth of undead in addition to already existing opposition led by Mal'Ganis and his necromancers. The forces of Lordaeron were already badly outnumbered and they had no way of establishing a meaningful quarantine or exclusion zone that wouldn't be violated by a couple of ghouls and abominations immediately, spreading the plague everywhere further. If anything, that would have the job of the Scourge easier.
Is this the part where you headcanon an easy alternative within Arthas' means and knowledge? People try this every thread, and there's too many holes in every one.
ROC has an absolutely better campaign but FT rounded out the game itself while continuing what it established in a respectable manner. >Arthas part Human
simple, but escalates into undeniable Kino >Thrall goes to Kalimdor
Quite good. nice feeling of discovery and journey. probably the second best campaign by virtue of being methodic and atmospheric >Arthas part Undead; featuring the Burning Legion
metal. ties some gameplay elements of the other 2 campaigns together but places more emphasis on larger scenarios with fewer sub-quests >Night Elves
ties all story and gameplay beats together, is incredible. evokes many different feelings and moods while expanding upon everything before it and then some.
>Maiev and Malfurion / Tyrande: globetrotters
kino. extremely mysterious too. >Kael'Thas, Illidain, the Naga, and the Draenei
Kino, has some slow points though; ignore that this was obviously supposed to be a 5th faction for WC4 what with the united races >Sylvanas
just alright. nothing really stands out. >Bonus: Thrall part 3
Is good but it makes me feel bad every time
don't mind me lol i just found the pic funny
What did he do?
Nothing wrong.
Singlehandedly doomed his kingdom and handed it to the Scourge on a silver platter.
That because Uther being a shit teacher and Jaina being a shit friend.
No amount of teaching could overcome Arthas' nature as a brat who is quick to rush head first into things.
If he's a brat no one would follow him. Clearly the soldiers thought otherwise. It's mentor's job to guide his pupils and Uther failed spectacularly and doubling so as a retainer.
>If he's a brat no one would follow him. Clearly the soldiers thought otherwise.
Are you moronic? Soldiers don't choose who to follow.
Arthas is royalty and a high ranking officer based on the fact that he's royalty.
Mutiny.
>Arthas is royalty and a high ranking officer based on the fact that he's royalty.
The entire dialogue at the start of culling disproves this, or at least shows that he doesn't outrank Uther.
>Watch your tone with me boy, you may the prince but i'm still your superior as a paladin
Uther literally tells him that strictly speaking, he is Arthas' superior.
When Arthas ordered him to purge Stratholme (yes, he gave an order to a superior officer).
>Damn it, Uther! As your future king, I order you to purge this city!
Uther told him to frick off, Arthas then pulled the "I'm the prince, therefore i'm your king one day" card.
>Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and the sovereignty of my crown, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your paladins from service.
Arthas argues that because he will be one day the supreme commander, that Uther (and his men) should follow his command, despite being outranked by Uther.
Being a high ranking officer militarily by virtue of noble blood does not necessarily mean he gets to outrank uther as a paladin within their religious order. Military/government =/= religious knightly order. The king may have supreme command over everything but the prince may still be subject to his seniors in the scope of his duties as a paladin.
He could maybe theoretically give people orders as the heir apparent, but cannot in his position of paladin. There isn't really a conflict there.
All power is theoretical until applied. People there clearly
>One solution is just to escort as many people out of the city as possible and quarantining the ones they know to be infected. It would have been way easier too, considering Arthas would have the help from the rest of his men, Jaina and her forces, and Uther and his paladins.
No time, Mal'Ganis had attacked, no means to determine if someone's infected, very high risk of the infected breaking free and attacking your army which is now compromised because they're in quarantine mode instead of combat mode
Arthas managed to fight off Malganis with his splintered forces AND purged the city. With the help of everyone that left him, specifically Uther and all his paladins, stomping out Malganis would be a cake walk. With that in mind you can easily assign knights, priests, and paladins to escort groups of civilians out. Anyone that starts turning will just be killed on sight.
It also avoids the issue of leaving behind unburned corpses that bolster the undead forces.
Brats aren't willing to sacrifice themselves. Brats don't risk their lives for the sake of others. Brats don't endure long sieges against massive hordes.
Arthas had a lot of problems and flaws, but brattishness wasn't one of them. He didn't think too much of himself, he expected too much of himself, and he inevitably reached a breaking point.
False.
If he had done nothing there would have been an entire city of zombies ready to overrun Lordaeron so it's not like that would have been any better.
Imagine thinking humanity stood a chance in the first place. Lordaeron was lost to the plague before anyone even knew it. Literally nobody in the entire kingdom could do jack shit about it. I don't know why people blame Arthas so much. At least he tried.
>I don't know why people blame Arthas so much.
Because he fricked absolutely everything up by refusing to listen to anyone in favor of constantly playing right into the hands of the giant demon that was leading him to getting frostmourne and becoming the avatar of the lich king? He also then PERSONALLY slays the king and, again, hands the kingdom to the Scourge on a silver platter.
Arthas literally did everything wrong and Lordaeron falling is 100% on his stupidity.
So you think that Lordaeron would've survived a zombie plague if Arthas had just been a good paladin? That all those people freely being turned into zombies would magically just stop being a problem?
Also fricked over the elves bigtime
Reforged
at this point i just consider this topic revisionism. otherwise i have no idea why this still is relevant or ever was
>young prince is going through a hard time
>i know, being the wise old mentor that i am, i'll abandon him on his quest and i'll take his hot girlfriend with me
uther was a chad
before he died he should have told arthas what it was like to frick jaina
STRAAAATHOOOOLME
The cinematic was pretty good
My sides
>Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight
Hmmmm
You've just tossed a terrible salad, Arthas
*ding*
Maybe they could have stopped him if Jaina didn't take all untainted food and manpower and fricked off to another continent.
>basedboy developer shares his stupid opinion and now mental midgets think they have a point
Arthas was right.
Arthas did nothing wrong.
Seethe cope and dilate.
I cannot get behind the "thought" process of someone who would not purge Stratholme. You've been indoctrinated by fricking shonen anime and marvel movies, things will not all magically go well if you only do the "right" (pussy) thing.
Bizarrely the I think the person who wrote it thinks the purge was wrong.
because dispel disease is a spell that exists in-universe and even when the zombie plague hit in world of warcraft before WotLK even some amateurish priest or paladin in his early level 20s or so could dispel it effortlessly
Actually, the disease became more and more resistant to dispels as the event progressed.
>wowbad headcanon
Disease Cloud is undispellable.
If dispelling the undead plague is so easy why didn't arthas and uther just heal the citizens right there?
I'm sure they just forgot it was an option.
>le in-game mechanics vs world mechanics
why didn't they just resurrect everyone?
The plague of undeath is a highest tier disease that is undispellable. The entirety of the Forsaken toiling for decades could not find a way to undo it, only duplicate the formula or improve on it in some situations. If you get infected with it, it's straight to hell with you after you die, no ifs and buts about it. Out of all the retcons WoW had suffered , that one thing had remained a constant. The plague of undeath was incurable.
>If you get infected with it, it's straight to hell with you after you die,
Except if you ask a holy wind chime really nicely
One problem is that it was never clear how many people were infected in the first place. Another problem is that killing random civilians will just leave more corpses to be turned in to the Undead. In the cutscene after the mission they clearly show survivors burning bodies, meaning not everyone was infected, and Arthas didn't bother burning them to prevent them from being resurrected by necromancers. Also, the zombification only works if they ate the grain in the first place according to the game.
One solution is just to escort as many people out of the city as possible and quarantining the ones they know to be infected. It would have been way easier too, considering Arthas would have the help from the rest of his men, Jaina and her forces, and Uther and his paladins.
>We must kill everyone with the coof to prove there isn't a coof
Anon, Arthas had about the brain power of the fricking Chinese government
moron
wtf i love chinks now
Glad you could bake it.
He was in the right up to the moment he picked up Frostmourne. He didn't even need the sword, as it's entirely possible to wipe Mal'Ganis' base out with nothing but mortar teams and knights.
>it's entirely possible to wipe Mal'Ganis' base out with nothing but mortar teams and knights.
And you can kill Archimonde with a bunch of goblin land mines. Gameplay isn't always consistent with plot.
everyone is captain handsight when talking about this topic
>of course we know what happens after, it is so obious what the correct choice is
purging stratholme was the objectively correct decision but at the same time murdering a bunch of helpless peasants clearly started his descent into madness and made him much easier to corrupt
it's not really hindsight because arthas already had experience with undead in hearthglen and knew how dangerous they were
there's still no cure, in wow the forsaken have been researching cures for years and have come up short every time
Yeah sure but give me some ways to, you know, not letting undead overrun the entire fricking region.
Without killing them of course.
I don't even remember if they did have a cure after Arthas became the Lick King.
Ding!
It's done!
Every Arthas apologist has to first pretend there's absolutely no in between with "kill literally everyone in this city" and "lie down and let the scourge devour my wiener and then the entire world."
There isn't. You either kill them before they turn or you have to deal with an entire city's worth of undead in addition to already existing opposition led by Mal'Ganis and his necromancers. The forces of Lordaeron were already badly outnumbered and they had no way of establishing a meaningful quarantine or exclusion zone that wouldn't be violated by a couple of ghouls and abominations immediately, spreading the plague everywhere further. If anything, that would have the job of the Scourge easier.
Is this the part where you headcanon an easy alternative within Arthas' means and knowledge? People try this every thread, and there's too many holes in every one.
The entire city was infected. The entire city must be purged.
Glad I could make it, Arthas.
Quickly my warriors! These monsters have destroyed our ships, and robbed you of your way home! Slay them all in the name of Lordaeron!
ah yes, the gulf of dragonblight incident
Everyone deserves what's coming, holy shit
Arthas was out of line.
He should have waited for an official CDC response.
>Have you considered making a sacrifice for the greater good?
Americans are mentally ill
Glad you could bake it Uther.
I watch my tone with you boy
RoC was fine, TFT ruined everything
ROC has an absolutely better campaign but FT rounded out the game itself while continuing what it established in a respectable manner.
>Arthas part Human
simple, but escalates into undeniable Kino
>Thrall goes to Kalimdor
Quite good. nice feeling of discovery and journey. probably the second best campaign by virtue of being methodic and atmospheric
>Arthas part Undead; featuring the Burning Legion
metal. ties some gameplay elements of the other 2 campaigns together but places more emphasis on larger scenarios with fewer sub-quests
>Night Elves
ties all story and gameplay beats together, is incredible. evokes many different feelings and moods while expanding upon everything before it and then some.
>Maiev and Malfurion / Tyrande: globetrotters
kino. extremely mysterious too.
>Kael'Thas, Illidain, the Naga, and the Draenei
Kino, has some slow points though; ignore that this was obviously supposed to be a 5th faction for WC4 what with the united races
>Sylvanas
just alright. nothing really stands out.
>Bonus: Thrall part 3
Is good but it makes me feel bad every time
Childhood is believing Uther is right
Aduthood is realizing Uther is clinically moronic