>Western videogame music
>Barely anything is memorable
>Japanese videogame music
>Nearly everything is memorable
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>Western videogame music. >Barely anything is memorable. >Japanese videogame music
western bad japanese good
Unironically yes. Only western games that have had good music were indie games
True
Factually true.
You should find examples of Canada and Norway while you're at it. Those tend to be the countries that are often propped up as the peak of the west.
Canada will be very low if you exclude immigrant shitholes. Someone got shot like 1500 km away from where I live and it was in every local paper and people were legit spooked about it for a couple weeks. Went for a haircut and, "did you hear about that man who was shot two weeks ago? So terrible."
The UK just sounds like utter misery to be in the more I read and hear about it over the years.
it's a nightmare and I try to just forget about it as much as I can, although pretty much everyone here thinks the country is a joke
t. Bong
you have my condolences bongbro
I don't know how people pretend that ethnic homogeneity doesn't foster social harmony
Crime rate is going down everywhere, despite lowered ethnic homogeneity. Except in the UK, which has desperately tried to close itself off.
Cool it with the anti-semitism.
wtf britbongs
Of course crime's on the rise. They've handed out a million visas to foreigners in the last year alone, mostly turd worlders, and that's not counting the illegals that are coming in by literal hundreds every day (who are quickly processed and then shipped off to hotels to terrorise the local populace)
This under a party that pledged to reduce immigration
Some still try and spin it as incompetence but the ruling class here are legitimately evil top to bottom
imagine being a bong today
Wtf happend in france?
Correct
Your average self hating homosexual
>self hating
But that would imply that I'm white.
Frick off moron I can accept that japanese videogames have better soundtracks while also acepting that the japanese dont know how to make turn based games
>weeb
>has moronic opinion
https://youtu.be/CAZNX60BzYc
https://youtu.be/T8j_KgAgOnw
https://youtu.be/6Bz3wBuRpEQ
https://youtu.be/yuySSmW5cfo
https://youtu.be/lQIBT-a6jog
https://youtu.be/6_racFoQbRQ
https://youtu.be/3SF1yMNJ38k
https://youtu.be/JgjqtIY_zww
https://youtu.be/YNWSDvDqm9g
https://youtu.be/yMSbZmXM3IY
https://youtu.be/eh1zELpvOlM
https://youtu.be/Qwv6Q1tGX8I
https://youtu.be/WLLE_PvJ5mY
https://youtu.be/xwMzeLa8rBY
https://youtu.be/wo9rm_4FFA4
https://youtu.be/m0beiqBvh9o
https://youtu.be/crSqRZAfyZo
https://youtu.be/J5ssfLmMJYQ
https://youtu.be/YIT9OT0VZW0
wanted to contribute with these
>Plok!
What the frick is this, how is this so high energy? Beach kinda sucks but the other two are great.
Tim Follin
tim follin is one of the greatest video game music composers of all time but he only made songs for literally who games so people don't know about him
also i don't know how much of beach you listened to but that one in particular gets much better as the track goes on
Damn i've heard this silver surfer one before, nice I now have a name to find more of this shit.
>pictionary going this fricking hard
>solstice started out as boring ass generic shovelware, picks up instantly 30 seconds in
>continues to fricking change like a prog rock album but who the frick is going to actually hear this on the title screen of a game they probably clicked past in 5 seconds
What the frick
Shouldn't you be giving soundtracks that are full of memorable music rather than individual tracks from lots of different games?
He did. All these games where those individual tracks come from have outstanding soundtracks. The first game in the list is fricking Neverhood for fricks sake.
>Metroid
>Donkey Kong
>2 of the 3 composers of Streets of Rage 4 are japanese
lol nice job proving him right you couldn't even come with a list that didn't involve japs
>Donkey Kong
>David Wise made the best soundtrack of all SNES games
Absolutely embarrassing to point out Donkey Kong. Frick off zoomer.
>western composers become honorary Japanese if a Japanese company hires the studio they work for
Interesting logic. Also if you check credits then you'd see that the French composer for SoR4 did the vast majority of the OST and Koshiro/Shimomura were just guests.
I personally prefer Japanese OSTs but you're looking really biased here.
The Kong was done by a Brit Bong.
Stupid Amerimutt.
Metroid prime is an American game...
Prime’s soundtrack was composed by Kenji Yamamoto (not the Kenji Yamamoto who worked on DBZ and plagiarized half his shit). Calling out Donkey Kong was moronic though, composed by a British dude and one of the greatest soundtracks in gaming.
>posts motly ambience shit that no one ever remembers
Are you trying to prove him right?
Btw indies font count since they have heavy influences from japanese games, most non indie western games have shit soundtracks because they are ashamed of being games and want to imitate the forgetable music from Hollywood movies
Fricking moron.
desu
nice "post excellent western videogame music" thread though OP
out of these only city of tears stands out as good to me, however I just want to commend you to sticking to your guns here, ignoring spectacular western music because you know it's influenced by japanese music too much to really serve as an example, that takes guts.
OP is saying that Western vidya music in general is unmemorable and boring, not that ALL Western music is bad. And he's absolutely right, Western devs nowadays don't seem to give a shit about music.
Western soundtracks almost always fail to impress. Meanwhile, japanese games don't even have to try.
your obsession with Japanese things is unhealthy and moronic
He is right tho
>JAP GOOD
>WEST BAD
ywnbaj
I dont need to be japanese to know that western AAA games have souless osts
Look man, I despise it, but it's just a hard fact of life by now. The japanese have a surprising prowess and refinement to their arts that other nations do not quite have yet. I believe that is mostly due to their work culture.
No its because AAA games are ashamed of being videogames, they wish they could be movies so they replicate several aspects from hollywood films includimg the lazy and forgetable ost
I mean. When it comes to works created on the west, there's often (of course, not always) a noticeable sloppiness to it, like people are really lenient on the quality of the notes and other small details. In Japan, it seems that people are a lot more perfectionistic. The typical asian trope of being obsessed with meeting perfect scores. This translates into music, where artists focus on making insanely fast and concise melodies, whereas western musicians tend to go for slower, sloppier compositions in sake of "style".
Call me a schizo, but I have no other way to explain the fact that the japanese can just take things from the west and sell it back to us whereas we can't do it for them. We need to step up our standards, although I'm hoping that this will eventually happen in the future.
Your obsession with people who like Japanese things is unhealthy and moronic.
>LISA
Ya don good Anon.
>Japanese videogame music
>Nearly everything is memorable
This wasn't the case with Elden Ring kek.
Also based
I thought saying you have shit taste was just an echo-chamber but goddamn. You could have just said "I'm fricking deaf but hate weebs" and gotten a free pass.
>Not posting the GOAT
All shit.
Weeaboos forever BTFO
great selection but 95% of it is old ass boomer shit. Meanwhile Japan is still routinely putting out bangers.
Pretty much the only Western vidya composer that stands out today is Toby Fox, who's heavily influenced by Japanese works to the point of plagiarism.
My personal favorite soundtrack of more modern western games is Vermintide 1 and 2.
Not only are some of these not western, you literally proved his point
which ones aren't western here?
every single game I see there that you might think isn't really is
sor4, metroid prime, and donkey kong country are all western developed games with western music composers and producers
as a small exception, sor4 has a handful of guest japanese composers, but overall it's not
m8 pls
>weebs impotently seething
Based.
And don't you forget
Qud has such great tracks, fits like a glove to the world
>anon has all these links wieners and ready to post within 4 minutes of the thread's creation.
Samegayging hard, OP. This thread is a false flag to make weebs and Japanese music look bad.
wrong, I had them ready to go because I've posted them before to argue against a moron that said Western music sucks
pic related
>Says RPGs are for gays
>Cites a bunch of music from RPGs.
I hate most of your packaged posts. Delete them and be a normal human being.
Some of these are terrible.
What the frick were you thinking?
Some ARE good, but others... holy shit.
Is the new show good
You have shit taste in music
Made especifically to attract the newer generations with their short-term memories, ADDs, ADHDs or HDDVDs. It's unnecessary flashy and at times there is too much shit happening on the screen, it's very distracting and can get annoying at times.
If you can tolerate that kind of simulation (or actually enjoy it), then yeah it's actually good.
>You have shit taste in music
Great taste in music*
When was the last time a Western video game had a math rock/jazz fusion/prog rock track?
lol thought you would mention Persona or Etrian Odyssey with that description. Always found it interesting how Japanese VGM composers are the ones more common to utilize jazz/rock, western originated genres, in its media than the actual west these days.
Even metal, the best metal soundtrack in gaming made by Americans is Jamie Christopherson... for Metal Gear Rising. Given how many of the games he's composed for are Japanese it's probably not much of a stretch to say he's been inspired by them himself.
Kirby soundtracks are the GOAT. Love how their soundtrack titles are now similar to Touhou's, another series that is well known for its music.
It's unfair that Mario games get soulless corporate carnival jazz music while Kirby gets some of the wildest and creative jazz rock in vidya.
you will never have sex with a japanese woman
and you will never be a woman
I've had sex with 4 so far and my current gf is japanese too. not much else to choose from here in tokyo
Why would you just blatantly lie like that
I wouldn't eat a bug, much less frick one.
Play the gacha at asian massage parlors enough and you will hit pity eventually.
Saw that Sakura was censored in the remake, not going to watch it
Censored how?
You ask Japan for music they give you music, might even find cool stuff from classical or prog rock to add
You ask John West for music he will fly to Budapest Orchestra (it's cheap) and fart in wind instruments until he has enough brass to cover up the disastrous sound design with hours of muffled braps (5 notes melody please understand)
You’re a weeb who thinks anything made by Japan is considered godly. You’re already too far gone for an explanation.
I'm so happy I finally came out of this mindset, I used to have this really bad habit of feeling like I "owed" it to publishers to buy whatever weird niche JRPG they shoved out no matter how bad it was.
Some were legit ok but most were hot garbage that sold entirely on the premises that the girls were cute.
>most were hot garbage that sold entirely on the premises that the girls were cute
This is still very much prevalent today, especially here on Ganker. Most people don't even play the games but just come here to spam pictures of the characters
videogame music
everything is memorable
nah, japs held out a bit longer but their stuff's boring now too
no it isnt. Even jap indies have better music than western indies. The entire Switch library is full of memorable music while no such thing exists for the Xbox and PS library INCLUDING third parties
Japan is still a meritocracy.
The only western game I can think of that has music that's consistently on par with top tier Japanese music is Deus Ex.
The influences of most notable Japanese game composers are rooted in Jazz Fusion and Power Metal. Very melodic, very catchy, lots of chords changing. Western composers were/are more inspired more by electronic music and film scores which generally don't stick in your head very easily but can work well as backing for the gameplay.
Obviously there are exceptions as every composer has different influences and modern game composers are often influenced by other game composers, but in general Japanese game music is generally something you'd find on a standalone album, while western game music is more of a dedicated soundtrack. I think the JP & US OSTs for Sonic CD might be the most obvious example since that illustrates it within a single game.
BBC dub best dub
because japs value a good soundtrack as part of the experience but westerners just see music as part of the background like a generic film score
it's because you're a homosexual weeaboo who doesn't have any friends
As usual, when people say western games they mean AAA titles and the 0.5% of indie games they've personally seen.
even western indies have inferior music compared to japanese indies. Ultrakill was the last time a "western" game's music got my attention, and I say it like that because the dev may be indian or something
Ultrakill is made by a finn iirc
Nah
I'd say western and jaoanese indie are on the same level of music quality
Why are Westaboos so desperate for affirmation and validation on a Japanese hobbyist website?
It really is a mystery. It's like they think there are Japanese talent scouts here who will invite them to their country if they consume their entertainment media. It really seems that way.
Read the post again.
Ganker is not an anime website
The more accurate way to word this is that cinematic games, WRPGs, and open world games, genres that are stereotypically western, tend to have completely unmemorable and bland soundtracks due to the need to either make the music softer in order to showcase the voice acting more, or to have the tracks be atmospheric in order to accommodate the open world. Hell, even games like Mario Odyssey show this with how much its tracks are much less melodic than previous 3d Marios or within a single game, A Hat in Time where the track for the open world Alpine Skyline isn't as interesting as the soundtracks of all the more linear levels. (besides Alpine Skyline at Night which is more linear than the regular levels)
>the ost of a pokemon spin off game btfo the ost of 99% of western AAA games
>not posting the best one
ngmi
The west is soulless and too influenced by Hollywood and wokeism to ever produce anything resembling soul. Once you get past the shiny exterior you realize how shallow western games truly are. Western games are actually a whole lot like pretty thots. All looks but nothing else going for them outside of their looks.
Meanwhile Japanese games can have it all including looks. They just don't necessarily get to enjoy the same level of shilling (aka marketing) that western games get.
deus sex
videogame music
everything is memorable
Only find that true in the case of most old works done outside of vidya. Can't notice any difference otherwise.
Shinji Miyazaki did the music for the Pokemon anime and he had some kino pieces
https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/pokemon-pocket-monsters-sound-anime-collection
'Meeting and Parting' is especially beautiful, still makes me teary-eyed sometimes
Japan isn't actually very good at making legendary vgm background music. But there are some great composers who live there. There are also great composers who live elsewhere in the world, but with some of the biggest game studios (Nintendo, Square Enix, etc.) being in Japan, the great composers who end up working at those game studios tend to be Japanese.
There are also some cultural differences when it comes to the music, and that comes out especially with all the rock influence going around in American music (and the Anglosphere that pays attention to it). Aquaria has been said to have great music, but it's just four-chord bleh music. It's pretty, don't get me wrong, but the four-chord phenomenon is a rock thing. In other cultures, repeating four chords and calling it a song isn't as popular.
You're wrong. Go to school, Black person.
>No argument
What a great contribution to the thread anon.
Leitmotif, character themes and melody. Usually.
Undertale understood this and it's probably why people remember that soundtrack.
Personally I liked the game, but I didn't really care for its soundtrack much, which is strange considering in theory it -should- be something up my alley..
I'm sure you can still remember it even if you didn't like it.
This basically. Western composers are soulless and just do generic "bwaaaaaaaah" epic sounds.
While Japanese composers actually have soul. Love all FFs for the music even if the games itself varies. And we can already hear what the main "theme" of FF16 is gonna be:
?t=114 (The male choir)
?t=14 (the solo female vocal behind the prelude theme)
Just wanted to share.
FF music is blatantly lifted from western bands
When you say you like FF music you really are saying you like western music
I like western music done by japanese composers because they do it right.
There you go.
>both sound like overproduced "hollywood action film" tracks
Jesus.
whatever happened to them making stuff like this
the only western video game OST that matters
Westerners have no soul, so they're only capable of creating extremely bland music and settings.
It's always japanese everything compared to western AAA production in these threads.
The West simply can't compete.
2:57
Are the Japs abandoning power metal soundtracks for jazz soundtracks now?
Why not combine both?
2:48
Sounds like a Touhou song, but a little bit more tone deaf, which is surprising.
>evo
Yes, it's better than the original and super arrange, even.
Bullshit, Super Arrange is by far the best version.
The super arrange lacks all of the extra moments, clean production and far more technically proficient guitar solos that evo introduces.
The proggy keyboard solo followed by the blistering guitar solo in the Evo version of Formidable Enemy elevates it far beyond the original or super arrange.
>The super arrange lacks all of the extra moments, clean production and far more technically proficient guitar solos that evo introduces.
And yet it still sounds better.
I know I'm kind of late, but I'd like to mention Wipeout 2097 (and Wipeout in general) as a non Japanese memorable OSTs.
Also System Shock 2. Honestly a lot of 90s-00s non jap games got great OSTs
brits are just japs with bad teeth
Western devs want their games to be like movies
Japanese devs want their games to be like anime.
For the most part, it doesn't apply to everyone like Capcom or Wayforward.
Voice acting and moronic society in western.
Anything "too cheerful" will be immediately dropped by Madden dudebros, so we need cinematic OST for them to play without feeling embarassed about blasting a gay ass cute song that their parents and sisters bf could hear so they'd ask "what is that gay children music hahaha im reporting you to the police for being a child rapist or something
This, just play some caramaldansen and I'm happy.
when was the last good western vidya composer?
kirkhope?
there's some good indie ones but it's well-known indies aren't the same level of trash as normal
From the top of my head
Dave Wise, Tim Follin, Chris Huelsbek, Frank Klepacki, Marty O'Donnell, Jeremy Soule
Read the post you're replying to again
Most of these haven't been in the industry in ages and Chris Huelsbek got exposed as a plagiarist who ripped off old Jap vidya soundtracks, but what makes it worse is when confronted about this in the last few years he straight-up lied and said it was all a coincidence and he's never heard of these games (despite being caught citing one of these games soundtracks as an influence in the 1990s)
Tim Follin makes FMV games now.
>Chris Huelsbek got exposed as a plagiarist who ripped off old Jap vidya soundtracks, but what makes it worse is when confronted about this in the last few years he straight-up lied and said it was all a coincidence and he's never heard of these games (despite being caught citing one of these games soundtracks as an influence in the 1990s)
Bullshit
cope
>Chris Huelsbeck
>original
Musicians constantly screech about "copying" or "plagiarism". The truth is there are only so many different songs you can make and melodies or beats will inevitably sound similar at some point.
It's not the plagiarism that's the worst part, it's the fact that when confronted about it he openly said it was a coincidence and that he's never heard of that game before, despite in the past, on record, saying that that very same series's music was a huge influence on his style.
It wouldn't be so bad if he admitted that it sounded similar and said that he must have not noticed or something instead of straight-up lying to save his ass.
Much of Chris Huelsbeck's tracks are eerily identical to a lot of Japanese-exclusive game soundtracks on the PC-Engine and Japanese PCs.
And the best part about Huelsbeck constantly plagiarizing Yuzo Koshiro music and then pretending he's never heard of it and it's all a coincidence is that he actually fricking met Yuzo Koshiro in person.
The fact that he straight-up lied instead of owning up to it made me lose all respect for him.
Forgot image. Chris on the left, Yuzo on the right.
It's true and Martin Odonnel and Jeremy Soule both got cancelled for looking at women the wrong way.
I think since people found follin's old stuff and talked to him about it he started doing some indie stuff, but that was kind of my point, pretty much any good western stuff nowadays is indie
Tee Lopes has been fantastic and did a good job with the new TMNT game this year:
Oh yeah the sonic mania composer? Better than the Japanese composers for sonic forces themselves lol. Another example of my theory that lower scale tends to be better for music.
Jeremy Soule
Megalovania was played for the Pope.
You're just a child. When you consume enough media from both sides of the globe, you'll realize that most midi shit in jap games is insanely derivative and boring. The problem with western scores is that it often tries to be a cinema sountrack with louds of hans zimmer style sweeps and little in the way of melody. But zero melody is as offensive as a midi track with a melody ripped from an 00s anime, that ripped it from an old nintendo game that koji kondo ripped from an american jazz record from the 60s. You're just innocent and naive. The truth is that the Jeremy Soules and Keiichi Okabes of the world are few and far between in the east and the west.
lmai even at ripping off, japs still do a better job, seethe
I'd much rather hear "midi shit" rather than generic orchestra for the millionth time, at least midi stuff makes me feel something I cant remember a single western AAA ost, I think doom eternal and xcom 2 tlp are the only exceptions
>orchestra
?? Some of the best japanese tracks are performed by an orchestra. Having the composition be played by human hands is a sure fire way to inject soul into a production - thats true around the world. Are you thinking of ambient music? Incidental sountracks? You shouldnt join in on convernsarions when you dont have the vocabulary to understand them.
>Having the composition be played by human hands is a sure fire way to inject soul into a production
lol
lmao
It's not 100% one way or the other but the easiest way to make a soulless piece of music has just been throw an orchestra at it and not actually put any effort into the piece itself
>I'd much rather hear "midi shit" rather than generic orchestra
I would've agreed a long time ago, if not for me "broadening my horizons" a bit since then...
And even Western stuff has its fair share of nice tunes...
I'd rather listen to generic jap track 47 than whatever sorry excuse for music the western industry puts out now. It may not be original but it sounds good and that's all I care about.
Western games will settle with orchestral scores more often than the east although I can think of instances where the roles are reversed and the same thing occurs. It’s mostly why in vidya ost threads i always get confused when people post a bunch of generic final fantasy songs when if a western game used it no one would care.
The thing about western (AAA games at least. I do acknowledge that Japanese AAA games also have a habit of doing this) orchestral music is that usually ambient background music with little to no melody. What makes a catchy memorable track is if it's transcribed onto a solo piano cover or 8-bit it'd still sound good and recognizable as actual tunes whereas orchestral ambient tracks are far less recognizable.
I think the west in general is moving away from melodies which is lame. If i had to pick some scores that i at least remember i would say skyrim because at least i would recognize most of the tracks if someone played them to me out of context. But the more i try to pick games with memorable soundtracks its mostly due to the repetition instead of leaving an impression
The combat music in skyrim is so generic that its sad
Well, Prince of Persia games had some nice music:
>mogs your tranime jpop
MGR>
The MGR music is made by westerns.
It is
But its a japanese game, you would never see music like that in a western AAA
The comparison is even more moronic then because you're not even comparing composition styles or the artists, it's literally "jap game music good because it jap" kys
Not its more like "jap music good because the west refuses to use anything but the most generic music"
NTA but there is a distinct style difference. Vocal tracks for boss themes isn't common in western franchises. And as stated above, Jamie Christopherson composes for a lot of Japanese games similar to Toby Fox so it's pretty clear they were inspired by Japanese games themselves. Where the composer is from isn't relevant when it's about the style the composition is based off of.
>ambient is le bad
Ok then why do Minecraft and the Elder Scrolls have some of the most popular soundtracks across several platforms?
minecraft does not have a popular soundtrack and the most popular piece from an elder scrolls game is a full song with lyrics
>Minecraft soundtrack isn’t popular
Huh? homie just open up Spotify and search volumes alpha and beta. Literally over a 110 million on one song
>only vocal tracks
In a fictional language. That’s not even counting all the actual ambient ones like streets of Whiterun or Secunda.
>In a fictional language.
what's your point? it's the exact opposite of ambient music, and it's the only well known piece because of it
Does it really count if no one speaks the language?
>only popular song
Millions disagree
>Does it really count if no one speaks the language?
yes? what kind of question is this
do japanese songs become ambient music just because you don't speak japanese?
do the chaos language songs in nier/drakengard become ambient music just because that language also doesn't exist?
lol this is the sales argument at its peak. You know damn well all these views are just because of the sheer amount of skyrim-only casuals looking up the only things they're familiar with. No one is bringing up "Skyrim ambience-night" as favorite tracks in video game oriented discussions. There's no concerts that utilize that, VGM reaction channels aren't going to react to that, there's literally not a single fan remix of it. It's the equivalent of saying Angry Birds has the best gameplay that's the most popular with gamers because just look at how well known it is, it even got a movie! Hell, even Angry Birds main theme has some fan covers due to the sheer fame.
Because normie casuals just buy on brand recognition and mostly buy them purely for their award bait vocal songs that only play during cinematic moments or the credits.
The games that get full soundtrack concerts, fan remixes, and musician react to VGM channels speak the real story.
>remixes
You mean like all the zoomers turning out lofi of Sweden.
>concerts
What like Halo?
>musicians react
A bunch of literal whos?
>appeal to popularity
>x le bad meme
The only thing that could make you even more of a stereotype would be a wojak image with an iphone filename
>muh popularity
Alright AC and COD are also both be very popular games that use ambient soundtracks. And no one cares about theirs, but they do MC’s.
Search the actual songs in OST then, oh look they’re all getting plenty of views.
>Search the actual songs in OST then, oh look they’re all getting plenty of views.
Literally my whole point is that purely using views on a single channel is a fallacy because those views are just due to the game itself being famous, not the tracks itself. As I said, the vast majority of those tracks aren't getting fan remixes or being reacted to by reaction channels. Are you forgetting the fact that tracks for many games often get copyright struck? The Super Mario Bros theme only has 10 million views. You really going to say this theme is less iconic than Persona 5's Last Surprise? Same with Pokemon RBY themes that have less views than the most recent gens.
there are games where ambient music with subdued motifs is suitable and can even be very memorable. minecraft is one of them
random example from western dev: outer wilds
random example from Japanese dev: silent hill 2
I don't like when tracks that should be bombastic and exciting don't have a strong motif though, or when they have one but it's weirdly de-emphasized. and in my (limited experience) this is more of a thing in western games. it's like they don't want anyone to actually notice the music other than to realize that it's there, like they think it's gay or embarrassing or something. there's something about the production that I can't articulate because I'm not a musicgay
random (poor) western example: warhammer tw
random (better) japanese example: OG Rome Total War
AAA films have the same problem though maybe even worse than games do. I saw all of those shitty avengers movies and still had to be reminded of how the main theme went by hearing it just now
shitty modern example: avengers
less modern, better example: phantom menace (shit movie good score)
even older good example: Ben Hur
>random (better) japanese example: OG Rome Total War
I know nobody has pointed out the mistake but I meant western obviously
Minecraft because it's just a ripoff of a good album, Plantasia.
You need games that aren't shitty western Snoyshit orchestra setpiece bait.
Americans were never supposed to become interested in Anime like the rest of the World
Funimation heavily twisted dbz to make Anime become a thing which is surreal but it fitted past america mentality
Op is one of those anime that was known in the rest of the world but not america so they gauge a modern remakes to find it's existence
ai post.
As I alluded to in my post complimenting the western guy, its got nothing to do with japanese per say, but rather, the way they make their music is largely stuck in the 80s. they never abandoned the pop and groove roots of their music scene, and it just so happens that that kind of repeating brain worm makes good background music that needs to loop over and over and over.
Dumb weeb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh85GHBe6xY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlxzYjvcBPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qdyQXxSPPA&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO0XO7XRl2I
>mostly indie games
Cool AAA osts dude
Also
>didnt even post the best track from blasphemous
>posting project wingman
it has great tracks sure but it still gets mogged by every ace combat game in the soundtrack department
Lucasarts and ID software have a word to say to you
And this word is "help me, california took over and killed us"
western music direction
>irrelevant ambient music in the background, basically the equivalent of elevator music and just as unmemorable
japanese music direction
>absolute bangers intertwined with and married to the gameplay, ingraining in to memory better because they're tied distinctly with the overall gaming experience
>every western movie has a recognisable pavlov three to five note segment that they play during "epic" moments of the movie so the viewer knows the scene is epic
I am so sick of this trope.
>btfos every nip attempt at jazz
If there's anything that has been lost by Valve refusing to make videogames, it's their soundtracks.
Oh, I will acknowledge this. This was 15 years ago.
The entire argument was recently, no one's arguing that the west has never made anything good.
Ok then how recent do you want?
Silent day eh?
I think he can move goalpost few more times
5 years
And still Jazz!
Go on, tell me how this is “Japanese inspired”
>Indie
what part aren't you getting here, anon?
but yes cuphead does have fantastic music
>IT DOESNT COUNT IT DOESNT COUNT IT DOESNT COUNT IT DOESNT COUNT IT DOESNT COUNT
Here’s your last
>you
>Start an argument talking about how western studios don't make good music anymore
>Only post music from old games or not from big studios
ok buddy
Does it say anywhere in the OP that it has to be a AAA studio in the last 3 years?
And let’s just ignore all the Jap tracks itt that are 20 years or older
>OP talks about western and japanese music in general
>people post good western music
>n-no, not that kind, I'm only looking for western music made for games with $300 million budgets released in the past 5 years
>there isnt a single big budget weatern game released in the last 5 years eith a good soundtrack
The fact that we are even arguing this is just sad
Here have a good track from a japamese game released recently
Moving the goalposts this hard just proves you don't have an argument you're willing to stand by. We'll continue posting good western music, you're free to continue seething.
>We'll continue posting good western music, you're free to continue seething.
Yes all that memorable music from western AAA games like DOOM ETERNAL and.... hum....
>N-NO! Come back here a-and disprove my point! I'm not done arguing yet!
>please?
DoS 2 has good soundtrack too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOESOfXkY0
>completly ignores the point of the discussion
We stablished early that indies dont count, we are talking about AAA games and you couldnt even do that
Thats and indie
Better luck next time
Bruh the entire game is inspired from old Japanese Run-n-Gun/shmup games like Contra, Silhouette Mirage, and Parodius. The designs of Cuphead and Mugman themselves were based on an old Japanese propaganda cartoon.
https://screenrant.com/cupheard-cartoon-art-inspiration-max-fleisher-walt-disney/
Also
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cuphead/comments/ehnqq3/the_japanese_are_so_lucky/
Sally had a random Final Fantasy reference phase that had nothing to do with her theme at all. The devs obviously loved Japanese games.
Also, that one Carnival theme sounds a lot like Super Mario World's Athletic.
We’re talking about music here
Yeah, indie western games that harken back to classic Japanese games tend to also have the best music. It's not really a coincidence. I was the one that talked about how the design philosophy of western oriented genres like cinematic and open world make for less memorable themes than the linear and stage/boss oriented themes of stereotypically Japanese style games.
>Go on, tell me how this is “Japanese inspired”
Anon, I...
Easy mode, post 2012, hard mode, post 2016.
Wrong infact usually Japanese music is extremely generic
Nothing has topped fable for me.
I'm sorry, but I've heard this countless times when playing PS2 games. Too slow and vague melodies are just sprinkled over the song.
The west sold its soul for money. It's also why the USA empire is falling.
Halo infinites OST is pretty good
Western music can be memorable and fun too, but people tend to follow trends.
I could link some memorable western music, but it would become "doesn't count" race and I am just plain tired of that.
Someone doesn’t play indie games
As I alredy said
Indies dont count since they are heavily influenced by japanese games
Do you think a AAA studio would ever make a game like furi?
What about synth music is Japanese? If anything they’re copying a trend started by Hotline Miami
>What about synth music is Japanese
Yellow Magic Orchestra. which was admittedly inspired by kraftwerk (the two were contemporaries)
Probably one of the most important bands for influencing early vidya music.
Granted they aren't synthwave which Furi leans heavily toward, but still
Using songs from actual bands is cheating
Most if not all the music in FURI was made for the game tho,
>advertisement
>rap
>battle song
>rap
To the trash it goes.
>A single country (Japan)
versus
>60 countries (ThE wEsT)
What makes Japan so powerful that both people who love Japan, and people who hate Japan, universally agree that to even compete the opposition of 60 countries needs to combine into one entity?
also does anybody find it bizarre that people will criticize Japanese for not being innovative since they're performing American or British genres, but go full soiface when Germans play an American or British genre because it's somehow all tHe WeSt and somehow the Germans are just as responsible for a music genre that originated in the UK or America?
Yellow fever.
>but go full soiface when Germans play an American or British genre because it's somehow all tHe WeSt and somehow the Germans are just as responsible for a music genre that originated in the UK or America?
It's funny because the greatest German rock band of all time had a Japanese frontman for their three best albums.
I find it amusing they just picked him off the streets. Like just some random japanese dude just wandering 60s west germany
Japan was a tech giant when the industry started up and produced the earliest arcade hits like Space Invaders and Pac-Man just by virtue of having a booming industry with a lot of people in it. Nintendo, SEGA, & Sony were all major names in console hardware, and other companies popped up to produce hardware and software alike. They just got a foothold early. Most countries in "The West" don't have as large of a history in video games as Japan, and with the US it's that corporate interests have railroaded it into certain shitty trends for a long time (not that some big Japanese companies don't have stupid suits in charge now).
>post an indie soundtrack
>>THAT DOESNT COUNT ONLY AAA DOES!! BESIDES ITS “JAPANESE INSPIRED”
>post a triple A OST
>THAT DOESNT COUNT YOURE JUST PANDERING TO POPULARITY
It’s all so tiresome
>>post a triple A OST
>>THAT DOESNT COUNT YOURE JUST PANDERING TO POPULARITY
Come on anon, I'm sure you can post at least ONE good AAA ost right?
Is that supposed to be good?
Here let me help you
Mirror's Edge has one of the greatest video game OSTs of all time.
That fact that you unironically belive this is just sad
So this is why western game OSTs suck ass...
their audience just has shit taste.
I played mirrors edge like 4 times and I can remember a single track from it, the music is too quiet and doesnt have enough intensity to be memorable
Western indies do count and are good.
one thing jap and other bug men soundtracks fail to imbue is the sound of heroism
Black person please
Just don't even start
oops not vidya
>
>soundtracks fail to imbue is the sound of heroism
Heh
Yeah, that dude is nuts. Jap games are filled with heroic climatic music in its boss, climatic dungeons, and final dialogue themes while climatic moments in AAA westoid games often have no music at all if it isn't some non-looping accompaniment tied to a cutscene or a vocal song.
You just play shitty western games, I presume. Probably only the mainstream one. Poor taste.
And thats exactly the problem even mainstream japanese games have good soundtracks, meanwhile you would have troubles recalling the music from most AAA games made in the west
>weeaboo whines about western games having orchestral scores
>then posts a bunch of Japanese orchestral scores
>generic orchestra ≠ all orchestra music
Here let me spoonfeed you an example of a non japanese orchestral theme that sounds good and not forgetable
Even fricking porn games have better soundtracks than the average Western game.
These track literally play over a sex scene.
Here's your porn soundtrack bro
Western games all try to ape hollywood, japanese games don't.
genuine earworm
Nice.
>Elden ring boss appears
>Song is generic orchestra with vocals
>Forget it immediately after
Yes all souls games have shit music we all know that, each game has like 1 or 2 decent tracks and thats about iit
Make way for kino
Thoroughly mediocre game, nice music tho
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>thing 😐
>thing, Japan :O
Nah, I love western games. The fact that their soundtracks are less melodic and catchy is pretty noticeable though, outside of indies.
So what I’ve garnered here is that
>loud and bombastic = good
>slow and melodic = bad
AAA western games cant even do that right
hmmmmmm
No those are the taste from moronic emo/metal shitheads. Both "loud and bombastic" and "slow and melodic" are good but most people agree they have to be catchy and suitable and memorable for the games/moments they are played. The nico medleys are beloved because of that.
generic and shit = bad
good = good
as simple as
The thing about the west and the east when it comes to artistic endeavors is that the west produces stuff that is either excellent, or utter dogshit. There doesn't seem to be a middling setting. Meanwhile, consistency is the hallmark of the east, but their highs and lows are (generally) milder due to this.
It’s less western vs Japanese but a matter of scale. Bigger AAA games with a lot of focus on the action, on sound effects, on voice acting, will have the soundtrack be more in the background and more atmospheric. Meanwhile games on a smaller scale will have the music be front and center so they need to be catchier and stronger.
Undertale creator Toby Fox and Touhou creator ZUN, two big names in the VGM field also talked about the design philosophy where they make it so that the earlier levels and bosses start off simple and build up to where the final and hardest bosses have the best and strongest themes playing both to showcase how far you’ve gone and so that you won’t feel too bad when losing because trying again will have you listening to it again.
AAA games just don't really utilize that philosophy (some not even having bosses) which is where the discrepancy lies. I don't think it's a stretch to say the music is simply much less of a priority than the visuals, presentation, and the other aspects that make up AAA games.
Xenoblade X has the best game soundtrack ever.
if that were true I would've heard a track from it by now.
Look it up, it's good 🙂 Hiroyuki Sawano did the music for it.
The more these westoids resist the more I want to bully them
I recently finished the Dragon Age trilogy. Outside of the Main theme/camping theme for Origins, there isn't a single memorable track aside from this being overused. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQKidnFsTUg
You all jerked off Jesper Kyd so much I checked out Darksiders 2 before DA. I suppose the praise is the interesting use of instruments or something because none of it was fricking memorable aside from 1 track only. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tob_KO45uns
The fact none of you homosexuals defending westernshit name anything from Olivier Deriviere much tells me all I need to know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Rid-jqhn8&t=455s
Zelda music is based on a Plantasia album
A lot of Jap music is inspired from western.
As for memorable western videogame music.
>DKC2 OSTs
>Runescape OSTs
>Warcraft OSTs
>Various DMC pieces
>Spyro OSTs
>Minecraft OSTs
>HL/HL2 OSTs
>Darkest Dungeon OSTs
>Binding of Isaac OSTs
List goes on, just gave you a bunch of ones many people can easily play in their head
Stuff you like =/= Memorable btw
to be fair if you go back far enough even anime was originally based off of old disney animations. The stuff people praised about modern Japan is usually just originally western stuff modern western creators seem to do less of.
Japanese video game music is mostly just a mash of Western influences, some of it even directly copying songs
What's the point of "creating" something if a foreign nation does it 1000x better than you. Cope and perish.
yeah I wonder which is better
I like the Zelda song a little better, but this is just my bias, the other song seems to have a lot more going on. What's the point of comparing an old piece with a song from this century anyway...
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Sing the LW melody on top of this.
>any given ost will probably have some good tracks
IF they have any these days, regardless of the arrangement.
>Western influences
Stop using this term you stupid motherfricker.
Use AMERICAN influences.
Use BRITISH influences
etcetera.
Germany, Spain, France, Sweden, Canada, and whatever random European country you want to throw in didn't pioneer or invent 90% of the relevant genres you see in various mainstream media
People who use "b-but The West" to argue against Japan are fricking delusional.
How come Japan gets shit on for being a mash of "Western influences" (primarily British or American) when a game developed in Sweden with a rock (American genre) soundtrack is completely fine?
Germany: countless classical bands, krautrock, pioneers of electronic with bands like kraftwerk stockhausen etc
France, Sweden: big in electronic music, house, nightcore, eurodance etc
Canada: literally just America light, 1/10th the population and still has notable music scenes, Post-rock, shit like leonard cohen, etc
shows you know shit about modern music
>shows you know shit about modern music
I know more about music than you, buddy.
>krautrock
Rock subgenre, Americai in origin.
>Pioneers of electronic with bands like kraftwerk, stockhausen
Electronic is not a genre, that's like saying guitar is a genre.
However, the first examples of electronic music are all American, see Thaddeus Cahill.
>big in electronic music
See above
>house, nightcore, eurodance,
Electronic dance music originated in America.
>post-rock
Subgenre of rock music, which is American in origin.
Now, I actually don't believe that these countries are unoriginal, but the same exact morons who claim Japan is unoriginal for using "WeStErN" genres will give literally every non-American or non-British Western country a pass for doing the same exact thing.
>American in origin
african american
Electronic, House, Acid, DnB, Trance, etc. all stem from the Chicago club scene you fricking tard.
Germany, France, and Sweden didn't even get into making that shit until the mid 80s when the UK was mass importing indie Chicago House records.
Germany literally made electronic in the 60s you dumb Black person
Electronic instruments were invented in America in the late 1800s you stupid homosexual, and were used in various styles of music leading up to the 50s.
Germany was just the first to do away with normal instruments altogether and produce entirely electronic music, but even then this is debateable as there were American groups and Japanese groups doing the same thing in the same time period.
That's besides the point. The point being that people shit on Japanese music for being unoriginal by using """Western""" (American) genres and styles of music, yet gives a pass when France or Germany decides to play an American genre.
Literally all Popular Music genres are derivative from America. Why shouldn't Germany or France be held to the same standards of Japan and be called copycats?
>Chicaco
>Germany 80s
Moving goalposts dumb Black person
>moving goalposts
I'm not, read all of the replies in this chain you demented homosexual.
German electronic music is derived from electronic instruments which are American in origin and have been used in
Electronic music is NOT a genre.
In the same way that "guitar music" is not a genre.
Electronic Dance Music IS a genre. Electronic Dance Music originated in Chicago and was exported to Europe.
The experimental German electronic music of the 50s and 60s has nothing to do with Electronic Dance music, and is derivative/influenced by 20th century art music which incorporated electronic instruments into their stuff, which was a French movement, taken from American instruments.
Ramblings of a madman. You are making shit up as you go
Post a single thing I got wrong, musically illiterate homosexual.
Nah he's right the euros basically took whatever the burgers were doing and ran away with it. The brits did the same with rock music decades earlier as everyone knows
This derivative brainrot is insane. Chronologically most burgers music are just derivative of European classical music and beyond
Yeah surely Kraftwerk was genreless, dumb homosexual
>Yeah surely Kraftwerk was genreless
Nobody said this.
Again, "electronic music" is not a genre, in the same way that "guitar music" is not a genre or that "piano music" is not a genre.
Kraftwerk is art pop, krautrock, and synthpop.
>Why shouldn't Germany or France be held to the same standards of Japan and be called copycats?
Germany and France don't have an equivalent geek fascination with them as Japan has with japanophilia, evidenced by the very OP itself
There's naturally going to be more scrutiny and pushback put on Japan as a result
>Why shouldn't Germany or France be held to the same standards of Japan and be called copycats?
French and Germany have pioneered important subgenres in rock music, what has Japan done?
They make all their musical instruments
Japan pretty much redefined progressive rock in the late 80s/90s by inventing brutal prog, math rock, mathcore, and shit, in an era where progressive rock largely fell off after a heavy decline in the 1980s.
Nothing sounded like these at the time.
japan didn't invent throwing your instruments down a flight of stairs
Cope, Japan's 1990s contributions to the evolution of progressive rock is substantial, and spawned some of prog's crazier subgenres and styles.
Boss level music if I ever heard it.
Made weebs into some of the most insufferable homosexuals on this board to date tbh as evidenced by this very thread.
When will you stop coping?
J-rock, shibuya-kei, nerdcore techno, J-core, speedcore and picopop absolutely destroy whatever pretentious Eurotrash noodling you can come up with.
>nerdcore techno, J-core, speedcore
they literally took inspiration from happy hardcore and gabba, you trog
And did it better, in typical Japanese fashion.
Post some examples
So you don't have any examples then
That wasn't a request.
But not pioneers, as
said.
Using that logic Germany and France didn't pioneer anything since it's all derivative of rock music.
There's being derivative and then there's being almost an exact copy in the case of J-core
"J-core" doesn't sound all that different and all the artists are huge fans and importers of yuro stuff anyway. Shibuya-kei isn't that good outside of Cornelius and maybe some of pizzicato five
I like Fantastic Plastic Machine
That's a good one too. I should give that another listen
>what has Japan done
invented extreme metal
Chicago invented them, but the euros refined and perfected them
Swedish songwriters run the American pop scene bucko
It's easy to claim you have invented everything when Western culture is basically an Anglo monopoly and the rest of the world doesn't get to share their products. Japan is pretty much the only non-Anglo country that has managed to find a significative international audience for their products, and even then we're mostly talking about anime, manga and video games. The rest of the world doesn't fricking exists.
God knows how many innovations started in continental Europe and no one ever noticed because their culture doesn't have an international audience. Even people from other countries have been brainwashed into thinking that things made by Anglos are 'cooler'. After all, only your media and awards have an international audience, you fully control the narrative. And English being the lingua franca also benefits your interests a lot.
>Western videogame music is not mem-
Maybe back in the 90s and 00s, japan fell off hard
Not sure if srs. Toby Fox is completely and utterly open about how all of music and game design comes from Japanese games. He's literally just ZUN who lives in America. Or lived because he's even living in Japan right now.
>utterly open about how all of music and game design comes from Japanese games
Just like Japanese musicians are open about how their music comes from prog bands, european classical music etc
Would be nice if modern western game composers started taking a feather from that cap too.
>Just like Japanese musicians are open about how their music comes from prog bands, european classical music etc
Still seems a bit more varied than Toby's influences tbhfam
>Toby Fox
>Half-wit Earthbound romhacker becomes the king homosexual of 21st century vidya
I hate this shit.
At this point Fox is just a Knight homosexual on the hierarchy of western homosexualry.
Toby is literally the main driving force when it comes to political radicalization in Japanese games. Look at how many trannies work on Deltarune, look at how he self-inserts himself into both his own games and others media, and now look at how Pokemon has a "gender neutral" protagonist, the second he is hired to compose the soundtracks.
Yep, Japan has fallen, time to go full /vr/ and never come back.
Nah, trannies would never allow a "e-girl fanservice" character like Iono in their games. You can already see them yapping about how they hate her voice (because they're jealous). I'm positive DR itself will eventually have a complete kino female schizo boss.
I remember last hearing he made some song for some famous nip vtuber
That was pretty weird to hear about
frick off batterschizo
Genius idea for asking for western vg music OP
whats with the crab mentality of this board, its a non zero sum game and doesn't matter who does x better than whoever else
It's Ganker, if people here weren't having moronic meaningless arguments every minute, it would be a dead board.
Because when you know something is japanese you automatically multiply it's value 100 times in your brain, and if something is western you never give it an honest chance?
>btfo every single japanese composers on the market
>bb-b-bb-b-b-but he take inspiration from japan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still a american composer still a western game.
Dude's basically an honorary Japanese you Black person. He even collabs with Japanese composers. If AAA western games had music like his we'd all be much happier.
>>btfo every single japanese composers on the market
eh.
Literally just list Touhou, which Toby himself completely gushes over.
not into touhou
Toby is a transnational man he identifies as japanese and there is nothing you can do about it chud
Name a better final boss music
The entire soundtrack is a final boss theme?
American composers actually explained it last year. They said "it's a job" to them, which explains a lot.
I know this is an east vs west thread so there's reason for this post but
Azure Arbitrator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One winged cuck angel
have a nice day FF cucks
The west is too busy making real music lmao. japan hasn't had a good band since the fricking fishmans
lmao what? modern western music is pretty much purely rap and hiphop these days with some pop. Rock and jazz are dead, even metal id dying and it's Japan that's still actually trying to keep them alive.
I mean, maybe if you're a rap and hiphop fan.
Have you tried actually going out of your way to find new rock and jazz bands? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D3TrpQ_nFo
I'll admit I'm a super casual when it comes to bands and don't go out of my way to look for nicher stuff. But that's the thing. While mainstream North American music has gotten to the point that most people here are saying Rock is a dead genre, Japanese rock bands are still thriving enough that even as someone who doesn't follow the scene at all I still know of some.
I'll admit that European bands are still thriving from what I hear too.
Black Midi's just the latest flavor of the month RYM band, you'll find better stuff in the same genres if you look at the European avant-prog scene of the 70s/80s or the Japanese brutal-prog scene of the 80s/90s/2000s.
Being able to find breadcrumbs compared to what once was doesn't negate his statement. Rock absolutely has declined in the west compared to when it was the zeitgeist for decades, just like jazz has. You'll get a handful of rym-core darlings every now and then like black midi but it pales in comparison to the rock landscape before.
Not that there's anything really wrong with that unless if you ONLY like rock and jazz, but sometimes you just get tired of diving through bandcamp releases.
>The west is too busy making real music lmao.
"Real" Japanese music runs circles around the West lol
CTRNF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL9S6K4Tdyw
Crash 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STHYI8sposM
Sonic Mania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMwM6hLEyeY
Ori and the Will of the Wisps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwrIvHe6Yvo
Crusader Kings 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az3ZkClRnbk
I like Nip music more as well due to the melodic way they use their music in vidya. But still their AAA stuff is moving to atmospheric stuff as well. And when you have to say
>Well that game is too old that doesn't count
>Well that game isn't AAA so that doesn't count
When OP was a flat statement about western videogames not having any memorable music at all. If OP said
>Recent western AAA have barely any memorable music, why?
then people would most likely agreed and maybe OP could have found few good soundtracks as well. But gotta be contrarian goalpost moving little homosexual moron for the sake of it
based for posting the best NF track
I fricking hate Jeremy Soule, I don't understand how people like him. He makes a catchy intro song for the main menu and then delivers boring as frick samey music for the rest of the soundtrack. The only thing he did that I liked was the Total Annihilation intro theme.
Based
Does ANYONE remembers the combat music from skyrim? You know those 3-5 tracks you will be listening for most of the game?
A lot of western vidya composers seem to subscribe to the Hollywood thought process of "make the main theme memorable - then just make a bunch of loud noises for dramatic parts and soulless ambiance for the rest"
Elden Shit suffers the same problem kek.
The vast majority you hear is some soothing EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH and gibberish latin chants.
It's so shit after Sekiro or Bloodborne, but that's what sells.
What's this obssesion with shitting on the west?
shit thing needs to be shet on.
just like how DMC got suddenly bad with V because it's the game that caters to the west
>shit thing needs to be shet on.
that why we are still getting shitty AAA games to this day, right?
because it worked so well in the past
There is no obsession.
you know what?
you know fricking what?
this isn't even specific to music
japanese vidya is just in everything more memorable than the trash the west is trying to sell as a video game.
that's because you aren't playing the good western games
stop that shit immediately. if i asked you to name some everyone would start shitting on you and your terrible taste. so let's not even get that far ok
>if i asked you to name some everyone would start shitting on you and your terrible taste.
one man's trash is another man's treasure
sorry that you can't enjoy bad videogames, anon
Why not just enjoy both Japanese and Western vidya?
Remember homosexuals, its because of Atari, an American company, that vidya even exists. Both America and Japan worked hand in hand to create the industry as it is today and our favorite games and music, so please stop arguing over it, and just enjoy yourselves.
i would if they still were making good games like back in the 5th gen era. games like Team Buddies don't exist anymore. instead they are out here ruining and defiling vidya as it is
>everything needs to be an inflated open world game and drain out any gameplaytechnical interaction ever
>massive obsession with story
>monetization options out the fricking ass
>games don't even run well on day one
>gameplay is the most shallow thing imaginable and leaves no room for interesting interaction
>games are clearly not made with replayability in mind
>last good western game was over a decade ago
the west just can't make vidya, should take the L and leave into making movies and tv shows. that's where they rather belong
Some western indies are pretty good.
The vidya seen in general has been dying out, but moreso in the west due to the different business models being employed into the workplace. It's no longer about talent, its about stories, about race, politics, etc. It's either an interactive movie or a game about depression, both of which are horrible to play and have no merit on the real world.
I don't play any modern games, Japan or America. They just don't interest me. The last mainstream game I played was Doom Eternal, which was fun if a little jaded in some sections, and the last American indie was fricking Deltarune, which was just bad. I think the business model is fricking everything up.
western vidya is visually on a downward spiral. there aren't even much of their releases that spawn a massive conversation booms unless it's about some stupid controversy or a business practice nobody likes.
qualitywise they are missing the mark since, what, the PS2 era?
they are more creative with stealing more money from you than with actual game design.
and not to mention that many of them have to be acquired by bigger companies to justify their existence. it started even back then with folks like Westwood and went all the way to Activision Blizzard that could in no way, shape or form live if it wasn't for a massive image rebranding with microsoft.
and as a final nail in the coffin, if you take anything away from this post, the most important thing to note: their vidya became so incredibly irrelevant and replacable that they started to bundle them into subscription models like the XBox game pass because nobody is going to give a shit about them any other way. these things became used goods, mass-productions instead of an enrichment for your life.
i have the same amount of vendetta for western vidya
if you actually return to the 5th gen and see what they used to make on a daily basis (with team buddies being a perfect example) you'll realize real quick how those games are MUCH closer to an actual interactive media than what they do today.
if it's for triple a games they are just mixing whatever is popular into an open world and call it a day
if it's for indie they are goosechasing nostalgia and replicating things in worse
it's as if these people completely forgot what gameplay is. what video games are supposed to be the begin with. if you boot up any game from the PSOne era you could guarantee yourself a completely new concept you haven't seen yet before.
these days everything runs on industry standards or cookie cutter formulas to play it save. that is if it isn't a massive bugfest
> Hotline Miami
> Disco Elysium
> DOOM2016
> Undertale
> Stellaris
> Icewind Dale
> Fallout 2
> Halo
I think you guys are full of shit. Western soundtracks can be and often are pretty good. I love me some jap OSTs (hearing SMT IV OST on Ganker made me play the game) but west can do these too.
Crash Bandicoot has good soundtrack and it is a western game.
Crash Bandicoot 2
Dovahkiin
It's already starting playing in your head.
Go be homosexual somewhere else.
>this wasn't posted immediately, let alone a quarter in the thread
It better have been posted eventually, carries western vidya music almost singlehandedly and you already know what I'm talking about
I'll stop myself from just posting the entire OST now.
I'm glad at least someone did it eventually but really it should be the first and last word spoken.
I only really liked the last song. The rest is slow and has little to no melody. I think other western games pulled this electronic style better.
omg plagurizm :^O
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There are plenty of duds in random ass Japanese games I've played. Like everything, you'd only remember the notably shit or notably good ones.
That being said Elden Ring's music is some of the most unmemorable garbage I've ever heard
yea but then there are games like Onimusha Dawn of Dreams, Ridge Racer Type 4 and Crisis Core Final Fantasy VII which have absolutely 0 alternatives. These 3 games have soundtracks that simply don't resemble anything else ever.
>Onimusha Dawn of Dreams
I cannot believe a soundtrack this good exists. It's a shame Capcom shelved the series.
>tfw Gears of War was basically my only source of military brass music
>the newer GoW is super shit in everything
Much like Gigastacey anon's lamentations about none existing in games other than gacha, I'm forced to live in despair that I'll never get new military brass music in any game.
you know I thought this was gonna be a thread about my waifu lamu-san and her new and old shows
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Why did ZUN do this?
Unironically a banger and I love MoF stage 4 too
Keep them coming. I've seen some of these "Touhou similarity" videos but a lot of them are stretches. The two listed here are really on point though.
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This one feels like either an homage or unintentional plagiarism since ZUN is a pretty big Keiko Matsui fan
For comparison
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Music is often entangled with certain cultural concepts but more importantly memories. The "circus" theme we hear was a triumphant march theme but now it is considered a silly song due to the association.
If you are playing a shitty game, it will drag the experience of hearing the music with it. The imprint of that shitty game will stick to that soundtrack like a jar of hot glue sealed in cum.
If you heard a bad song during a good game it could invoke a sense of nostalgia, regardless of how ill-composed it is.
And that is also perhaps why many people enjoy popular music too. It rings hollow to many "nerds" because of a lack of experiences to attach it to, nothing more than background noise.
So simply put, you do not have memories of western media to that attach itself to the music, or at least ones you enjoyed. And that's fine.
O RLY?
Japs can't into atmosphere
Westerners just go mental on some bongos and create some of the best catacomb music of all time
Nah, japs do atmosphere shit all the time. It just sucks there too.
In the modern era even Chinese games manage to have better soundtracks than most non-indie western games.
Destiny sucks wiener, but these 2 tracks alone dab on any and all japanese music
>generic orchestra
>somehow dabbing on anything
Those tracks gets outclassed by one of the few good themes in souls
>Few good themes in Souls
Ironically enough, the Bloodborne OST (which I'd say is the best of the series) is the one where western composers played a large part.
>Western videogame music
Mostly generic orchestral shit
>Japanese videogame music
Mostly generic orchestral shit
dumb lumposter
>OP reeks of woman
Urusei yatsura is garbage
anime homosexual
Anime website, cope.
Can I play kirby games on PC?
Play actually good western games then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8iZA9gTvV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtBdMr-HUpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m4DUlijw70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIy_Y_aqhuI
I love Japan but holy shit do I despise you weaboos. Stupid wienersuckers.
I don't know how you could say this when the lines of Jeromy Soule exists. Hell, hotline miami? Tony Hawks?
westoids are easily impressed by generic orchestral tracks.
Nice projection lel
Say "generic orchestral tracks" to most people and the first thing that'll come to mind is Final Fantasy
>and the first thing that'll come to mind is Final Fantasy
squeenix games in general really, any given ost will probably have some good tracks but the rest is orchestralslop
>west bad
>japan bad
this is the truth. how anyone can still cling to japan is beyond me. hypocrites.
>cling
Respect is a better word. Why shouldn't I respect a country so inclined with their own identity.
They are allowed and told to be patriotic, while my shit country spends all its time talking about how terrible we are.
Did you know that Koichi Sugiyama is a war crime denier?
That shit could get me locked up, but it's really not that uncommon over there.
Why do people hate orchestral soundtracks so much?
Why do you hate Art Music?
Even if you are 20 years old, you have already reached a point where you have heard it all in terms of orchestral music.
You will never be surprised by it anymore. It's just a done art.
Incredible, not sure if bait.
Hey, if you want to link me some 20th century Russian composer that'll blow my mind go right ahead.
Now THIS is bait.
He ain't wrong.
ehhh i think they both sound weak.
>He ain't wrong.
No matter what I post you will say it's shit but I'll indulge you
>Ace Combat
Now THAT is unfair
>No matter what I post you will say it's shit
None of those sound all that great rally, so you're not wrong.
>it's ear aids.
yeah, even electronic tracks too now suffer from this a lot of the time.
Incurable brain AIDS.
If anything it's ear aids.
>.gif
I hate unmoving gifs so fricking much
That's too bad, man.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH YOU DICK PLEASE I AM SCARED OUT OF MY MIND
A lot of the ones in vidya sound like shit these days regardless of country; always sounding like they're trying to jump on the modern hollywood or the animu train. In all fairness, I don't think current electronic/"midi" music's any better on this front either.
>you have already reached a point where you have heard it all
I feel that way in terms of rpg music at this point; orchestral or electronic.
Because its generic amd forgetable most of the time, orcheatra music can be good but western devs dont put any effort into making it sound good
Here is a comparison between a generic track
And one that actually sounds good
>but western devs dont put any effort into making it sound good
>western devs
>western
Point out this mythical good Japanese orchestral soundtracks.
ok
Anon you dindnt have to murder him like that
That was easy.
not very good.
It's Sugiyama so I ain't surprised. That said, I think a lot of his vidya work is still slightly lesser in comparison to his old animu works.
>singlehandedly mogs westshit
Stand back.
I know these aren't true orchestral songs. But I've never liked pure orchestral music. These are the songs that resonate with me. They're like a fusion of electronic and orchestra and rock
Compositionally I find them mostly unimpressive. I hate that I even have to say this about fricking megman.
That said, I can like things in that "fake orchestral" style:
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I think I know what you're going for. But the way those Japanese lads are yelling is comical. Hard to take them seriously. It's interesting though.
I think I got what you're looking for right here: And you would never have guessed it.
(Kind of cheating because it's a cover. But she sticks to the composition of the original. So it's the same song just without the N64 midi sound.)
>But the way those Japanese lads are yelling is comical. Hard to take them seriously.
I agree, though I still like the composition enough that I can let the cheesiness of the vocals slide through in this instance.
>Quest 64
I think Masamichi Amano's a pretty neat composer. so I'll agree with you on that one.
>Masamichi Amano
I'm surprised you know the guy's name.
I was just now trying to find some deep orchestral song you never heard of. But I'm coming up with nothing.
But check out these songs anyway, because they're nice.
Japan hasn't had a memorable soundtrack since the gamecube
Yeah lets just forget that metal gear rising exists
Whats up with orchestral hate but Black person rap obsession? Not that anyone here is doing it, but people pretend orchestral is played out and done but start crying and clapping their hands when a Black person uses a double entendre and a rhyme at the same time
Ganker why does midi soundtracks sound better than the orchestral rearranged versions? Am I deaf? Something like Dragon Quest is an example
>Ganker why does midi soundtracks sound better than the orchestral rearranged version
ehhh, really depends. I think a lot of them tend to sound pretty cheap most of the time and ruin otherwise decent compositions.
Why does everything sound like its trying to ape Zimmer these days?
Did someone say "non-snoozer-esque" orchestral track?
Japs are more prone to make bold creative decisions. Westerners play it safe for maximum appeal.
When japs fail, you don't hear about it. When Japs succeed, you can't escape the hype. Westerners occupy the forgettable but acceptable middle ground
Japanese video game composers focus on melody, harmony and rhythm
Western composers focus on texture, ambiance, and production.
>Trying to sound smart: the post
Nice try though
not. it's just facts
I always liked Japanese soundtracks because of the sheer variety of music you'd find in a single game.
You could find yourself listening to a calm bossa nova track, to an intense power metal battle theme,, and then some silly Spaghetti western-esque track with woodwind instruments all within the span of 20 minutes.
>bossa nova
Never got that. Nips are obsessed with Bossa Nova and dream pop. How the frick did that happen?
Bossa Nova kind of makes sense since it's Brazilian and apparently Brazil has the highest amount of Japanese people living in it outside of Japan.
>Brazil has the highest amount of Japanese people living in it outside of Japan
I need to read a fricking history book...
>serani poji
you a homie, anon
Glad to be in the company of another
>I always liked Japanese soundtracks because of the sheer variety of music you'd find in a single game.
Now I'd agree with this in theory, but it's a shame some tracks are clearly more interesting than others. That said, this is a constant thing with any type of soundtrack so I can't necessarily fault game composers alone.
Urusei Yatsura makes me emotional for some reason
Something about it is beautiful and pure
There is western and eastern vidya music and then there is Ace Combat music which has far surpassed both.
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whoever composed this shit is trying too hard. its hard to explain it isnt good either like john williams composition while on speed
I find it really bizarre, Ace Combat music's received nothing but praise on Ganker for nearly a decade and suddenly Ganker hates it.
for over* a decade
>more modern hollywood music
>modern
Ace Combat's had soundtracks like that for over 20 years.
What are some Hollywood soundtracks that sound remotely like Ace Combat?
>ace combat orchestra
>generic
>What are some Hollywood soundtracks that sound remotely like Ace Combat?
Personally it sounds like it cribs a lot from Harry-Gregson Williams and Hans Zimmer from my ears. Not necessarily bad though, if you're into it.
That said, I'll give you this:
does slap, and I would be a hypocrite if I didn't stress that I don't care for a lot of non-hollywood styled game scores for similar reasons, even indie ones as evidenced by my thoughts about Undertale's music earlier. In the end though, if you like it you like it, and that's cool by me.
>I was just now trying to find some deep orchestral song you never heard of.
It's fine. I don't really care for a lot of it myself outside of certain composers in certain eras, to be honest. Sorry for being a hard ass all through this thread.
>Sorry for being a hard ass all through this thread.
Don't apologize to me. I don't care. I just wanted to swap music.
>I just wanted to swap music.
Yeah me too. Thanks for understanding, anyways.
Ace Combat 2 has some good hard rock tracks. Very of its time.
Have some prog metal then
have a nice day generic orchestra Black person.
>generic
Name ONE (1) (singular) (uno) vidya soundtrack that sounded like this before 2001
>I can't believe it, its raining asteroids!!!
me when I'm taking a yuuuuge shit
Seems like a lot of orchestra music's I like's often:
>old
>involves some elements of fusion
>outside vidya
a lot of the time.
What the frick?
For me it's Blockade
>Revive dead show
>It sucks
Whoever's decision it was to make Araragi's VA the main character is a dumbass
On the contrary, there are plenty of great western vidya music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QgdSiNaJt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blG5kFTw-1A
https://youtu.be/z9S-fFsljbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mEy8hIrdM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb4B2c62Ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WWjwsCCOFM
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This is the best cover of Zero yet and dare say it has surpassed the original. No I'm not the guy who made it frick you
>tfw can't watch lum's show because Ataru is the dumbest motherfricker in fiction.
I bet you're saying shitty strings and guitars from anime shit is good music, and not talking about something like Okami.