If they were ever separate people, we have no timeline of when it happened specifically. The earliest mention of radagon is the war between the golden order and raya lucaria. Then they all made up, and radagon and rennala had 3 demigod children, meaning radagon must have been a god at that point.
I personally am not convinced of the separate person theory, but it's all pretty unclear. I can't claim otherwise for certain
they werent separate , and given that ancient dragon guys lore I assume the elden beast was always radagon and marika and possibly even created all the humans
>Then they all made up, and radagon and rennala had 3 demigod children, meaning radagon must have been a god at that point.
I think they retroactively are given the demigod title after Radagon & Marika's marriage. Demigod doesn't necessarily mean half god, it can also mean a human who is raised to a god-like status, and I'd imagine you would qualify for that if your dad marries god.
>Then they all made up, and radagon and rennala had 3 demigod children, meaning radagon must have been a god at that point.
I think they retroactively are given the demigod title after Radagon & Marika's marriage. Demigod doesn't necessarily mean half god, it can also mean a human who is raised to a god-like status, and I'd imagine you would qualify for that if your dad marries god.
u guys are still thinking too short term, and missing out the fact that dragonlord is waiting outside of time for elden beast to send him a text, the elden ring/ beast is marika/radagon or at least made them, and existed on the lands between before humans
Enea is a continuity error that forgets that people don't know Radagon is Marika.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The intro cutscene also says the demigods are all Marika's children. It's not a continuity error, it's supposed to be a reveal that's right in front of your face but that most people gloss over because they don't have context for it and it doesn't seem important at the time
1 year ago
Anonymous
Technically it says all Marika's children are demigods, not that all demigods are Marika's children
The fact that they were the same person was a secret though, hence the whole autistic sidequest with the statue.
I'm not even saying that Radagon and Marika weren't the same person at the time, just that the average citizen would not know it and that Ranni/Radahn wouldn't be called demigods in-universe until the marriage.
It's literally stated in the game that they were raised to demigod status when radagon married Marika.
And it's because Radagon BECAME Marika.
Also Marika herself wasn't always a god.
1 year ago
Anonymous
and this matters why
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're mad other people "didn't play the game" while being a speedreader. moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm mad? I think it's hilarious a smelly virgin like you is spamming about the worst fromsoft lore ever created
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's interesting and you're a miserable contrarian c**t
1 year ago
Anonymous
shit eating morons like you should have been aborted
1 year ago
Anonymous
You should have a nice day to spare yourself another day of being a joyless piece of shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
cope troony loregay
you will always be pathetic
1 year ago
Anonymous
have a nice day worthless homosexual you add nothing to the world
>I think they retroactively are given the demigod title after Radagon & Marika's marriage.
Ranni and Radahn are both incredibly fricking powerful. We don't know how strong Rykard was before he fed himself to the god devouring serpent, but we do know that Ranni thought that he was capable of going head to head with Maliketh as long as he had a way to stave off destined death. They were not human.
The earliest mention is the war with the Giants where he was cursed with Red hair. I believe this war happened first as the First Church of Marika is found there in the Mountaintops. The Flame was the fledgling tree's biggest threat, then the Dragons, then Limgrave, THEN Radagon ascends from champion to Elden Lord with the conquest of Caria.
Still, the ruling Monarch being unapproachable for most people and only ruling through proxies is extremely common in fiction and I think it wasn't unheard of in history.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hewg was terrified of Marika so it's logical to assume she wasn't the kindest, most present ruler
it can split doesnt mean its not still the same thing, did you miss the part where both are an ayylmao ? same ayyylmao that made placidusax elden lord before there was even humans im assuming? you are thinking too small in terms of "oh its marika and its radagon, perfectly normal real humans"
>I don't know why people believe this
There is a line from a dialogue in which Marika is talking to Radagon and she say "You have yet to become a god, you have yet to become me".
A lot of people took that as meaning that they became one later, but I heard that the original Japanese dialogue is more akin to her talking to a split personality and telling him that he's not the main personality, or something like that.
Because Radagon is a wildly different personality who acts counter to Marika and even continues to take over to defend the Elden Beast after Marika has been imprisoned. It makes more sense that Radagon was either an entirely different person who fused with Marika, or was some kind of counter personality who she forcibly split off from and then recombined with later, than it is for both of them to have always occupied the same body and have done everything they did. Marika couldn't just disappear for the years it would take for Radagon to lead the war against Raya Lucaria, end it, and have several children with Rennala
Not that anon and yeah, I don't think they're the same literal person. I think it's more likely Radagon was some alternate personality split off from her or at least some sort of being willed by the Greater Will to counteract Marika. Also the game has a lot of conjoined imagery and twinned opposites so it's possible they could've been weird siblings too.
I suppose it could have happened, we just never hear about it, but we also hear about so little involving Marika that you can really only speculate
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm just saying it's certainly not the only example of a major ruler being out of sight for years. Few to anyone had actually seen Morgott for his entire reign as king of Leyendell, and Radagon spent the entirety of his tenure as elden lord sealed in the erdtree. It doesn't seem unreasonable that Marika couldn't have sequestered herself away and then snuck out the back door as radagon. Especially if a margit-esque doppelganger was left behind.
This. A lot of character are confused over Radagon's existence and why he's Marka's favorite despite literally coming out of nowhere. Even if he was a separate person from Marika, it's still heavily implied that he was closely tied to her from the very beginning.
This. A lot of character are confused over Radagon's existence and why he's Marka's favorite despite literally coming out of nowhere. Even if he was a separate person from Marika, it's still heavily implied that he was closely tied to her from the very beginning.
Radagon was married to Rennala in Liurnia at the same time as Marika was married to Godfrey in Leyndell, they were able to be in two different places at the same time. I don't think that makes them separate people but maybe it's a Doctor Manhattan sort of thing where she can project copies of herself
Bro, that's obviously what's going on. Marika split part of her consciousness into a separate entity while she still ruled in Lydnell. Why she originally did it is up to player interpretation (I believe she wanted to have one side of her free while the other completely dedicates herself to the greater will) but eventually it all came crashing down when Godwyn was killed. And I do think it's irony that her half that was dedicated to the greater will is the one that betrayed it, but that's all my conjecture. The only thing that is definitely set in stone is that they existed at the same time and are still part of the same being, just split.
>In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self.
You're confusing things up moron. They were ALWAYS the same body, but two different people. You make it sound like they could just split apart and go their separate ways, then rejoin. You got it fricking confused. Split doesn't mean apart, it means separate. I can split an apple but it's still the same apple, it isn't separate apples.
>thinking Fromsoft games have a plot beyond a vage excuse that wouldn't suffice even for a porn movie script
The gameplay is ok, but the community for these games is so moronic, man.
She didn’t know ginger boy was Marika and the egg would’ve had no side effects on her since she had the great rune of the unborn, which is how we’re able to get reborn without becoming full morons
It doesn't
It never really explains why the ordinary enemies are fricked up hollows
Plenty of people still have their sanity and the distinction between them and your average footsoldier is never made apparent
There's no actual widespread curse in play making people into hyper aggressive insane beef jerky men as in Dark Souls, they just are
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It never really explains why the ordinary enemies are fricked up hollows
Because they're immortal and they've been trapped in neverending wars for centuries unable to ever truly die
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Plenty of people still have their sanity and the distinction between them and your average footsoldier is never made apparent
Nearly all of them are tarnished like you, they've been outside the Lands Between while shit hit the fan. There are only a handful of exceptions like Kenneth Haight and Seluvis
It doesn't
It never really explains why the ordinary enemies are fricked up hollows
Plenty of people still have their sanity and the distinction between them and your average footsoldier is never made apparent
There's no actual widespread curse in play making people into hyper aggressive insane beef jerky men as in Dark Souls, they just are
I mean, canonically, Tarnished are basically like a black cat walking under a ladder while breaking a mirror. They're a tremendously bad omen and so generally you're attacked because everyone in the world hates you and wants you to leave ASAP.
She's top wife material, imagine going with that buxom prostitute who goes off her rocker and destroys the world and its age of serene stability under the erdtree and golden order. What for? What the frick made her decide to shatter the ring like that? What did she even mean by this?
>What the frick made her decide to shatter the ring like that?
snapping the ROD in half basically made the GO shit the bed and panic. basically the GO was operating at the behest of the Erdtree, an alien parasite that feeds off of death.
The reason the GO hates TTLiD is not because it "upsets the order" but because they represent a threat to the erdtrees because their "food source" is wandering around aboveground rather than being collected by warrior jars who are then smashed by erdtree avatars to feed the nascent erdtrees
Basically Marika was tired of doing the GO's bidding and panicked after Ranni TK'd and DC'd Godwin and smashed the ring
Apparently fromsoft is no longer able to make games that aren't dark souls. There is zero reason for ER world to look like zombie apocalypse populated with hollow peasants and hollow soldiers who all lost their minds, but they don't make anything else.
The only reason people claim it's not that is because From Software shit the bed when it came to defining enemies as undead for the aux bonus.
Only Skeletons, Death bird variation and spiritcaller snails count as undead. This is a game with enemies like Putrid Corpses, Wraiths and multiple ghosts, none of which count as undead.
So the claim that the "Hollow" soldiers aren't a result of Living in Death being wrong based on aux bonuses can't be taken as fact, because the would be claiming the zombies aren't a result of deathblight.
>From Software shit the bed when it came to defining enemies as undead
Because most of them aren't undead dumbass, they're functionally immortal because the literal concept of death is sealed away and they've been "dying" and being resurrected over and over in endless wars for centuries
1 year ago
Anonymous
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They're not resurrected, they're literally just undying and become walking mummies over time. Marika perverted the natural lifecycle the GW created when it planted the Crucible/Erdtree. All things are meant to life and die, and break and bend in old age. >Abandoning their birthplace after the Shattering, these undead beings are the pitiful product of unending life. They are most commonly found struggling to maintain balance while roaming the fields of The Lands Between. Surely they were in search of something once - but whatever it was has long been forgotten.
>No one could die for hundreds and hundreds of years >This is never brought up in the lore beyond justifying why the raisin men are hostile to you >Also just ignore the fact that you can kill the demigods
They really weren't even fricking trying
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't kill most of the demigods, the only ones that are confirmed dead are Radahn, Godrick, and Morgott, and Morgott only dies after you burn the erdtree and release the rune of death
I thought zombies were just what happens when all of those guys that can't die start putrefying or rotting.
1 year ago
Anonymous
elden ring is copy pasted assets, nothing makes sense
1 year ago
Anonymous
>From Software shit the bed when it came to defining enemies as undead
Because most of them aren't undead dumbass, they're functionally immortal because the literal concept of death is sealed away and they've been "dying" and being resurrected over and over in endless wars for centuries
Unironically what is the difference between the skeletons and the zombies? What is the Deathblight then?
Just admit that From basically took a billion year old code regarding the skeletons from prior games and lazily exported it, then assigned the aux to like two other things before forgetting about it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Deathblight comes from Godwyn's half-dead body infecting the erdtree's roots, preventing it from bringing people back to life properly. There are multiple avenues for death and rebirth in the game's world and all of them are fricked up which is why there are several different types of undeath >Just admit that nerp nerp nerp
Shut up moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
>There are several types of undeath
There is no lore on that at all, this sounds like a cope to explain why litany of a proper death doesn't do bonus damage to Putrid Corpse.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>There is no lore on that at all
Death was governed by the deathbirds and mariners before the age of the erdtree came along and put them out of a job, which is why they're kind of just aimlessly wandering around the world surrounded by undead skeletons overflowing out of the ground. The erdtree supplanted the previous rules of death by absorbing and "recycling" people's souls so they could be reborn, but now the erdtree is fricked up too from Godwyn's corpse poisoning it at the roots, and Marika sealed away the literal metaphysical concept of death itself fricking the system up even further. Every system by which things are supposed to be able to die is broken, which is why Melina wants you to burn the erdtree and then sends you to Farum Azula to release the rune of death >this sounds like a cope
Shut up moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
>and then sends you to Farum Azula to release the rune of death
Nah.
She sends us there because it was a separate cut content ending once but then they merged it into one endgame and hoped you wouldn't notice, which is why we are randomly teleported there. They also cut a single line from Rune of Death cutscene talking about Erdtree burning in "black flame".
In 1.0. she has a dialogue where she tells you she just wants you to burn the barbs blocking the ENTRANCE to the Erdtree as opposed to the entire tree in current game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
She directly tells you "this world is in dire need of death indiscriminate," sets the magic tree that's keeping people immortal on fire, and then teleports you to the place where the physical embodiment of the concept of death is locked away so you can set it loose again. This isn't hard to parse, anon
1 year ago
Anonymous
knowing fromsoft that's probably more a coincidence than any actual attempt at a narrative
1 year ago
Anonymous
You might be an idiot
1 year ago
Anonymous
you are an idiot if you take fromsoft lore seriously
1 year ago
Anonymous
>no you CAN'T put A B and C together you HAVE to have a goldfish brain like me
1 year ago
Anonymous
sorry I'm not moronic or schizophrenic so I don't pretend like fromsoft lore makes sense
1 year ago
Anonymous
>here's the very clear through line that makes perfect sense >"uhhhh it's just a coincidence because I've decided fromsoft can't write anything coherent even when it makes me look like an illiterate moron"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the lore is very clear if the walls whisper to you
yeah I'm not about that
1 year ago
Anonymous
>mash through all character dialogue, skip all cutscenes, and don't read any loredumps in item descriptions >"wtf this game has no story who even are these people"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>implying there's meaningful character dialogue
the walls whispering "lore" to you isn't the game having lore
1 year ago
Anonymous
>ummm it's all stupid anyway so I don't even need to pay attention :^)
It's not the game's fault you're an illiterate baboon
1 year ago
Anonymous
This. So much this. How can i know story in game without 8 hour long cutscenes
1 year ago
Anonymous
two cryptic sentences is not a story
fromsoft "lore" is a joke
1 year ago
Anonymous
ZANZIBART
FORGIVE ME
1 year ago
Anonymous
twitter meme
two cryptic sentences is not a story
fromsoft "lore" is a joke
twitter opinion
1 year ago
Anonymous
I guess people on twitter are more intelligent than Ganker lore trannies
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I'm literally, not figurately, moronic
You could have just said so, anon
I'll give you an example of shitty, moronic lore and good lore from Elden Ring:
Good lore that requires work and inference: >what the frick are the warrior jars >why are the warrior jars full of dead people >why are there broken warrior jars all over the place near the erdtrees >why does every erdtree have an avatar >oh shit, the warrior jars collect dead people then go get smashed to feed the erdtree because it's a literal eldritch parasite that feeds off of peoples souls and energy, hence the "return to the roots" and why the GO is so pissed about the existence of TTLiD
Shitty, moronic lore: >use moronic emote near a statue, literally has to be explained via tooltip >Marika is Radagon >why does this matter? >well, you see, the golden order looks for people who can be split into two different people... because uhhhh it just does. meanwhile because we split this person into two people they married each other but the male one fricked another person but then uhhhhh he went back and now he's the same person again but they're actually different >who gives a frick, it's actually totally irrelevant
1 year ago
Anonymous
>dipshit who gets his "lore" from Vaati videos thinks he gets to decide what's good and bad
Go the frick away holy shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Vaati
The amount of outright lies and bullshit this homosexual peddles and people believe is ridiculous.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's the reason so many people still parrot the "erdtree is le alien parasite" garbage
1 year ago
Anonymous
Erdtree itself is not.
But it glows gold because of the alien that is Elden Beast.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Can't stand that plagiarizing homosexual, with his fake english accent.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>why does this matter?
Because Goldmask is looking for the answer and it helps him have an epiphany that finishes his quest
1 year ago
Anonymous
>epiphany that finishes his quest
and that epiphany's name? Albert Einstein
Yeah, the key to the secret goldmask ending is literally goldmask saying "lmao just stop giving a frick" and removing ambition from the world
>dipshit who gets his "lore" from Vaati videos thinks he gets to decide what's good and bad
Go the frick away holy shit
your gay
Fanboys cope about how the game is totally not horrendously unfinished because they can written ten paragraphs of 99% made-up horseshit to explain all the holes in the plot, but the fact remains that the most popular ending route remains Ranni's, which is coincidentally the only one that seems to involve characters with narrative and shit, and rave all about Radhan, whose lore is all completely explicit and most of which is presented in one of those straightforward cutscenes with narration they claim the game is higher-brow for eschewing.
The reason Ranni has a bunch of dialogue and shit and you'd be forgiven for forgetting Melina exists despite having the obvious closed eye symmetry that's never explained is simple: they cut content like motherfrickers. Same reason the gate to Mohg's palace was in Milenia's backyard and that after you kill Mohg supposedly to get to Miquella, the plotline just ends and you don't even get his Rune from his corpse, if he's even dead at all, and also you never mention any of this to Malenia, who also fights you because randomly trying to murder you specifically is the only thing everyone in this continent seems to agree on.
>they cut content like motherfrickers
that's plain as daylight >Melina obviously has super secret plan >constant references to the gloam-eyed queen >no explanation as to why she needs to get to the erdtree and burn it >never explained, she just dies lmao
>miquella left just fricking lying inside an egg, "SGO, TAK" just tells you "idk you should probably kill miquella or just leave him alone, whatever"
>two fingers and three fingers of shabriri introduced >obviously related and opposing >never explained what the frick they are, where they came from, or what they want
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, the key to the secret goldmask ending is literally goldmask saying "lmao just stop giving a frick" and removing ambition from the world
You're mentally moronic and the other guy was right, you get your lore from Vaati because that's just a fricking lie vaati watching secondaries parrot
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Melina obviously has super secret plan
No she doesn't >constant references to the gloam-eyed queen
One(1) in one(1) ending that we don't even know is a reference or not >no explanation as to why she needs to get to the erdtree and burn it
She's Marika's daughter and Marika wants her to reach the erdtree, she doesn't know she needs to burn it until you get there and she speaks to Marika herself >never explained, she just dies lmao
She burns herself as kindling for the flame of ruin
1 year ago
Anonymous
>She's Marika's daughter >keeps calling Marika her mother >says she's born from the Erdtree >literally referenced by one of the three butterflies alongside Malenia and Miquela >everyone just goes "WTF IS SHE???"
I swear everyone's just purposely ignoring this for some reason.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because the only way troons can keep shrieking "IT MAKES NO SENSE IT'S A CLUSTERFRICK UNFINISHED GAME CUT CONTENT CUT CONTENT" is by deliberately ignoring things the game plainly lays out right in front of your face
1 year ago
Anonymous
>dude just dig through game files and cut content to understand the story lmao
fromdrones are something else
1 year ago
Anonymous
Everything I posted is literally in the game you goddamn troglodyte. The only "game file" in my post is the image I posted which only serves to reinforce what's already spelled out in the game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
She says it directly to you in the game you drooling moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
Elden ring is fun as frick and I've sunk countless hours into it
that said, the three endings are: >waifuism travel into the sunset >lmao destroy the world >Mass Effect 3 "press Y to change color palette" endings where you sit in a chair
it's either unfinished or moronicly low-effort
1 year ago
Anonymous
it was made almost entirely during coof
so of course it's unfinished
1 year ago
Anonymous
it was made almost entirely during coof
so of course it's unfinished
It's From milking these Bamco bucks and scratching that open world itch they always had. Simple.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless. >I was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Where mother gave me my purpose. >There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition. >I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs.
She literally says it in your face multiple times you mong. Also there's three obtainable butterflies in the game that references Marika's later offsprings. One references Miquella's cocooned state and the other references Malenia's eventual role as the goddess of rot. The third one references Melina's role as the kindling maiden.
1 year ago
Anonymous
the reason why nobody wants to believe that Melina is Marika's daughter is that it's a boring answer. who the frick cares if Marika is Melina's mom? it's more interesting if she's something cool like the gloam eyed queen.
1 year ago
Anonymous
could be both GEQ and sister to the twins
1 year ago
Anonymous
>then teleports you
she doesnt
she dies and disappears before she can do that
we are teleported there by game code, not by her
just admit it makes zero sense moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes she does, just like she teleported us to the Roundtable Hold at the beginning of the game >just admit
Shut up moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah? Then who teleports us when we burn the tree using the frenzied flame?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Three Fingers presumably
1 year ago
Anonymous
Pretending that "Cut Content: The Character"'s anything is coherent or 'clearly in the game you're just a speedwatcher' is just fricking pathetic. The character who was with us explicitly so we'd bring her somewhere can now, after death, randomly teleport us to a place and back.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>i-it's cut content!!!
How does it not make sense to you that the character who explicitly says "THIS WORLD NEEDS TO HAVE DEATH AGAIN," who teleported us to the hub at the beginning of the game, then teleports us to the location where the literal concept of death is locked away? Are you legitimately stupid?
The only reason people claim it's not that is because From Software shit the bed when it came to defining enemies as undead for the aux bonus.
Only Skeletons, Death bird variation and spiritcaller snails count as undead. This is a game with enemies like Putrid Corpses, Wraiths and multiple ghosts, none of which count as undead.
So the claim that the "Hollow" soldiers aren't a result of Living in Death being wrong based on aux bonuses can't be taken as fact, because the would be claiming the zombies aren't a result of deathblight.
>From Software shit the bed when it came to defining enemies as undead
Because most of them aren't undead dumbass, they're functionally immortal because the literal concept of death is sealed away and they've been "dying" and being resurrected over and over in endless wars for centuries
They're not resurrected, they're literally just undying and become walking mummies over time. Marika perverted the natural lifecycle the GW created when it planted the Crucible/Erdtree. All things are meant to life and die, and break and bend in old age. >Abandoning their birthplace after the Shattering, these undead beings are the pitiful product of unending life. They are most commonly found struggling to maintain balance while roaming the fields of The Lands Between. Surely they were in search of something once - but whatever it was has long been forgotten.
Renalla wasn't completely mindbroken until Ranni died, she was depressed but didn't turn into the Rune of Rebirth schizo locked in the library with her creations we see in the game until Ranni "died"
It wasn’t that, no?
That was rough but I believe the tipping point was her believing Ranni died. I can imagine losing your beloved daughter would take a toll on you as a mother.
I'd leave Rennala for just about any girl in a heartbeat. Worst girl by far. >ugly as frick >weird ass proportions >most pathetic character in the setting >a fricking moron
Anon is >ugly as frick
Blind >weird ass proportions
And stupid >most pathetic character in the setting
And heartless to a MILF in desperate need of protection and comfort >a fricking moron
You're signing your posts now?
>most pathetic character in the setting
Renalla was so strong in her prime that Marika had to resort to seducing and psyoping her because she couldn't conquer Liurnia in a direct fight. This is the person who was able to genocide multiple factions backed by Outer Gods like the Fire Giants and Gloam Eyed Queen, but Renalla completely wrecked Marika in 2 separate wars
>that Marika had to resort to seducing and psyoping her because she couldn't conquer Liurnia in a direct fight.
Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal, it's ludicrous that Leyendell couldn't conquer Raya Lucaria. No, the more likely explanation is that Radagon saw the opportunity to become more powerful by joining and learning from the academy, which also gave him the opportunity to subvert it at almost no cost.
>Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal
The fact that everything in the game is perfectly killable by a random dickhead who's clearly weaker than everyone else is one of the most irreconcilable aspects of the game. All other Souls games rely on you being this grunt who has some special talent (usually, immortality) that allows them to overcome insurmountable enemies through sheer grit, but Elden Ring goes to far in building up its threats only to have them all fall to the same butthole, up to an including Gideon's A MAN CANNOT KILL A GOD followed up by a man killing said God by stabbing it a bunch of times like it was one of those random forest bears. It isn't even clear if your character is supposed to be able to revive of it's just a gameplay thing.
Sekiro was written around the same time as Elden Ring and that game made it clear Wolf was pretty damn good at his job already, so him also being able to revive makes him a match for his toughest enemies, which are almost all also just pretty good human fighters with the occasional superpower. Here the difference in power is ridiculous.
Godfrey is literally just a random dude like the PC is and he’s established as one of the strongest in the lore. The story dies establish that gigachad humans can compete with Demicucks and ayylmaos in power level
Godfrey was married to Marika and fathered her first three children, he's not just some random dude
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well he's just a human, a very strong, very tall human, but a human.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well, so are you, Tarnished. And you're killing demi-gods.
1 year ago
Anonymous
There’s nothing special about him, he married Marika because he was the strongest but there’s no reason for his strength beyond him just being a Chad.
He has no golden lineage, no outer god bullshit, no Magic bullshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He was so strong that he needed to fuse with the spirit of a lion god to keep his destructive bloodlust in check, he's clearly exceptional in some way beyond just being the chad to end all chads
1 year ago
Anonymous
The golden lineage came out of his dick. Its his lineage.
>Wolf was pretty damn good at his job already, so him also being able to revive makes him a match for his toughest enemies
also Wolf is canonically unable to do literally anything meaningful until he collects the IB. without Rivers of Blood (lol), Wolf wouldn't have been able to even remotely do anything to DoH, Headless Ape, or Genichiro.
I'm assuming the Runes are supposed to be that "thing" that sets the Tarnished apart, but it's pretty meaningless when you're supposed to believe that +10 vitality makes you able to kill a god
>Wolf wouldn't have been able to even remotely do anything to DoH, Headless Ape, or Genichiro
He also wouldn't have been able to kill the revived Isshin, since he was literally reborn as an immortal undead during the final boss.
>All other Souls games rely on you being this grunt who has some special talent (usually, immortality) that allows them to overcome insurmountable enemies through sheer grit
that's the exact same situation as the Tarnished, all of them get brought back from dying. Eventually once they prove themselves major frickups they lose their ability to see grace again, which is why most of the NPCs you encounter stay dead when you kill them.
>all of them get brought back from dying
If not for the intro cinematic, there wouldn't be a single goddamn thing in the game even vaguely hinting at the Tarnished being undead. The only things in the game are "ye dead, who still live" and the shots of Gideon in his tomb and PoopoMuncher getting hanged. Then the game starts and this is never brought up again, much less any mention of how this ties up with the other type of undead that is bad, unlike your type of undead, which is good.
They did the undead protagonist thing at the start because this is Dark Souls 4, but then completely forgot about it during the rest of the game.
I'm fairly certain it's a belief/faith thing. Rodericka wasn't a frickup, she had a clear ability to see the spirit world, but she got spooked hard and lost all self esteem. BLACKGUARD BIG BOGART never had any faith at all in himself, and as such, could never see the Graces from the start. Watching your crime buddy get tied to a chair and buttraped into soulessness would also have done it to him.
My question is: EHAT THE FRICK DOES IT MEAN THAT DEATH IS SEALED??? There is absolutely nothing in the entire game that makes it seem like death being sealed has an actual effect. We don't see anything that would make us think death doesn't work. >Stab somebody
He dies >stab demigod >he dies
So where the frick is the reason for sealed death? Grace is the thing that revives us and its working even after death is released. homies in the thread, just admit it doesn't make any sense
To me it feels like Destined Death was only meant to be the 'kills things super fricking hard' part of Death, not the entirety of it. You need it to burn down the entire Erdtree and the Black Flame used to be able to one shot Gods, and sealing it made it a lot harder to kill Gods/Demigods (and maybe stopped them dying from Old Age). Hence why you're still able to kill Demigods and bosses without it.
Except then woops everyone's Hollow and immortal (please ignore the fact that the worldbuilding as a whole does not take into account that everyone is immortal). Except for all those people Dung Eater murdered.
lorelet...
After death every soul goes back to the Erdtree where it brings everyone back eventually in an endless cycle of death and rebirth. Thats why Erdtree burial is so important in the lands between. Souls were stuck in this state making everyone mad and violent af.
Destined Death is the release of that cycle, that is why everyone is so afraid of it.
>Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal
that should be obvious, Ranni is a shell of herself in doll form and creating an illusion. Renalla's personal knights were strong enough to match Marika's champions, those being classified as people like Ragadon or Godfrey
>Weapon of knights sworn to Carian royalty. >These knights' swords could serve as catalysts, letting them wield sorcerous battle skills. Despite numbering fewer than twenty, this power made them a match for even the champions of gold in battle.
Don’t forget that, like Horah Loux, Renalla is 100% human.
It’s fricking hilarious how two amongst some of the strongest people in the setting, are not demigods. They have zero divine power, and are just mortals who were badass enough to bang Marika.
Vyke ane Bernahl both tried to become elden lord, Vyke was corrupted by the Three Fingers and Bernahl forsook the throne after realizing he'd have to sacrifice his maiden
There were two that did shit before (You) arrived. >Vyke got very close to the throne before going to the 3 fingers >Bernahl probably got to the Forge of the Giants with his maiden to burn the Erdtree, but since she wasn't the kindling maiden, her death did nothing and his journey was paused until you came along
>Bernahl probably got to the Forge of the Giants with his maiden to burn the Erdtree
Which would have necessitated beating fricking Morgott to open the way. All these backstory nonsense attempts completely rely on assuming these guys who've right there since the Shattering inexplicably took a long weekend off blocking their paths and shit so these other random buttholes could theoretically do thing they obviously couldn't have.
See Bernahl got to the Forge because Morgott and the Fire Giant went to the Bahamas on vacation that week. Also he even got to Altus in the first place by taking the long we round either through Volcano manor or the mine cave but not killing anything because the monsters haunting these places left him along since he was such a swell guy.
Vyke got closest than anybody to being the Elden Lord by defeating two members of the Golden Lineage, Gilfroiding of the Golden Nipple, and Bob, and also got all the way to the forge because Morgott was off visiting Comicon at the time.
Nah, he specifically moves from place to place after you clear the path for him, vyke and bernhal's backstory don't make sense because every roadblock (most notably morgott, who willingly camps in front of stormveil castle to weed out the shitters) is still in place.
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>he specifically moves from place to place after you clear the path for him
He got to Anor Londo and Izalith before you, he's already sitting at the bonfires when you show up in both places and he got to the Kiln early enough to have put his summon sign down for you
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Anonymous
IIRC he doesn't move to anal london until you rest on the first bonfire, not that there's any boss blocking the way. On izalith i don't remember if you can get to the bonfire he spawns in without killing the centipede or ass demon.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's already sitting there before you light both bonfires
1 year ago
Anonymous
For a long time it was a popular theory that Solaire is basically another main character in an alternate world, going through the same trials and victories you are. Because different worlds and times are all coming together at the end of the age of fire, just like he says early on, the different potential worlds are coming together, mixing, allowing for the meeting of otherwise impossible cooperation. Hence why you can call other undead, other players, despite the fact that you can't ALL have gotten as strong, fought the same bosses, etc. Under that theory most of the other people you meet are all potential chosen undead who could have had X or Y adventure, and Solare's basically the only other person who could have made it all the way to the end, and even then only with the intervention of a friend from another world.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not even a theory really, it's directly confirmed by Solaire and originally Oscar was going to be another "chosen undead" that was sort of like your Gary Oak and he'd make it to the end of the game trying to do the opposite of whatever you were trying to do
1 year ago
Anonymous
The alternate worlds thing never made sense from a worldbuilding perspective and seems at odds with the setting
It’s not elaborated upon much and seems for an in-universe way to explain multiplayer
1 year ago
Anonymous
There's 2-3 unaccounted great runes that you cannot obtain. >Miquella's. It isn't attached to his body, as Mohg only has his own rune in his possession. >Ranni's. It's on the moon, good luck getting that one in the dlc. >Godwyn's? He died before the shattering, but some dumb frick probably brought a rune fragment to his corpse before losing it.
And it's only the 2 fingers that block you specifically from entering the capital, not anything else. Morgott is the one that blocks the path to the forge, but considering that one of the Haslow brothers was known to be at the mountaintop before Morgott dies, it stands to reason that there was another path there at some point.
There were two that did shit before (You) arrived. >Vyke got very close to the throne before going to the 3 fingers >Bernahl probably got to the Forge of the Giants with his maiden to burn the Erdtree, but since she wasn't the kindling maiden, her death did nothing and his journey was paused until you came along
Is the game actually running off the souls concept of every tarnished being from a different time? Because it does sort of seem like that, like From really structured the story around "Yeah Vyke did beat all the demigods but then fell to Frenzied Flame in his time line so he invades your world".
>her death did nothing
where do you think all the ash in Leyendell comes from that is there prior to you also burning the tree? Berahl did the same thing but joined Rykard instead of finishing the task >Worn by Bernahl the Recusant. >Beasts are drawn to champions, and to lords. And this armor befits a champion worthy of becoming a lord. And that is what Bernahl was. >Until his maiden threw herself into the fire.
Well, why isn't it mentioned anywhere then?
The whole becoming a fish thing he has going on is both a reference to some traditional japanese monster shit and a mistake because he's actually turning into a basilisk, so conjecturally it's much more likely it's just a side effect of his cancer
She's top wife material, imagine going with that buxom prostitute who goes off her rocker and destroys the world and its age of serene stability under the erdtree and golden order. What for? What the frick made her decide to shatter the ring like that? What did she even mean by this?
Elden Ring story and Lore is a shitty clusterfrick because they just lazily did Dark Souls world again and forgot to fill in important details that made that world cohesive and actually interesting.
Seriously, so many things lack crucial information or are even contradictory. And this is not just some obscure lore elements, but actual main fricking story. Seriously.
If you ask loregays or Vaati fanboys ANY of these questions, you will always get like 10 completely different, often contradictory answers, each delivered to you with 100% certainty and telling you to git gud because you didn't get Miyazaki's brilliant storytelling made from reading shitty random item descriptions: >Why did Marika shatter the Elden Ring? >What is Destined Death/Rune of Death? How are they different? If death went wrong and no one dies, how do we kill fellow Tarnished, Demigods, bosses etc. >Who was Torrent's former master and why Torrent chose us? >Who is Melina, why she disappears for 90% of the game explaining frick all about anything and then appears again to kill herself, again, with no explanation? >Why are we teleported to Farum Azula out of blue? Why we need Rune of Death? Why and how are we teleported back to Leyndell?
I won't even mention shit like bad worldbuilding. Apparently Lands Between is a home to countless mines, caves, dungeons, catacombs but no cities (only one), villages, fields to make food or even fricking ports for ships to arrive.
This is more than just typical Dark Souls ambigous storytelling. This is a clearly rushed and rewritten game. Not to mention there was ZERO reason to be obscure. DaS was obscure because it was the theme of the game and it's story. Demon Souls was straightforward, so was Bloodborne and ESPECIALLY Sekiro, so WHY Elden Ring isn't? When it's clearly based on worldbuilding by GRRM with way more epic, heroic fantasy with politics, families, dynasties playing IMPORTANT role?
Most important part though, is that we aren't meant to CARE at all about Lands Between. >Other lands seem to be doing alright aside from Reeds. >We are dropped randomly and expected to just go into the world and kill shit for no reason. >Only later we are taken to Roundtable and told about restoring Elden Ring and becoming an Elden Lord but WHY would i want to do that? Grace casted me away in the first place so maybe i don't want to listen to it anymore? And before you say "you do whatever you want" then there is no point for the story to exist in the first place.
What happens if we just frick off? We don't know. Like, actually do not know. Every answer is just headcanon like "world/physics/laws will frick up" but nothing actually confirms that. EVERY other From game gave us a reason to do shit: >DeS
Demon's will frick up humanity if we don't do something. >DaS
Age of Fire is ending and Age of Dark is coming. Also Oscar saves you at the start and tells you about prophecy, making you indebted to him. >Sekiro
You are shinobi serving a young lord. You help him because he saved your life, because he is an innocent and because your adoptive father told you to. >BB
You are trapped in a nightmare and have to survive.
But NOTHING in ER motivates us to do fricking ANYTHING. It's like they forgot to do the most basic of basics because they were too trapped in copying shit redditors want from a Souls game like shonen anime bosses/Artorias on crack, item descriptions and other garbage.
Souls >neo-Berserk >Drive for life empowers humans, there doesn't need to be an explanation >People prevail and endure despite the overwhelming odds that they're at the mercy of things far beyond their control and the universe destroys everything in cycles of cleansing >attempting to secure the power of the gods unwittingly enslaves you and disrupts the balance of everything
Bloodborne >People seek out esoteric methods to understand the universe and gain its power, unwittingly staring into the abyss which stares into them >what we may consider gods may just as easily be interstellar refuse that washes up on our shores, far beyond understanding >insight into the machinations of the universe begets only madness
Sekiro >synthesis of some of the best works of fiction >heavily inspired by Blade of the Immortal's story, where immortality upsets the balance of the universe and is actually a burden >hesitation means death >nearly every enemy has either been tainted and perverted by immortality or tainted by the desire to obtain immortality >you must heal the world by accepting mortality and returning a power humanity was not meant to have
Elden Rangs >lmao demigods fricking each other >have to clean up the result of a bunch of buttholes squabbling over family shit >entire purpose is just because some b***h was upset about an alien tree giving her unlimited power >thanks for accepting my quest, now wait for the story to progress then return to an area you already cleared at this specific time so you can give me a bag of rocks or whatever and I'll die >unironically the best endings are either waifuism or "press X to destroy the world" because every other ending is just a ME3-style "choose your color grade" ending
>the old blood drives you crazy and turns you into a monster >shit gets really bad every full moon (because werewolves, later you learn that the moon is an alien who descends every couple years to find a successor) >every citizen drinks it like if it were water, both because they find it tasty and because it can heal wounds and illnesses >also, the church technically shoves it down your throat, so you literally can't help but drink it >you are john bloodborne, who went to yharnam for said cure >you get to experience everything first hand >you also get roped into the alien shit by a crippled old man who NAKADASHIs a living doll >slowly you learn that the old blood doesn't turn you into a werewolf, but an alien >it was aliens all along, and they came from underground
It's actually pretty straight forward, everyone but oedon is elaborated upon in the game itself.
>Killed Godwyn
He was a glowing shill for the Golden Order. He was in the way and needed to die for the next part two parts to happen >Killed herself
The main reason is that letting her body die helps her escape her intended destiny. As a bonus, she now also gets to pretend that she’s Renna (avoiding the consequences of her previous identity), and it turns out that dolls are actually pretty hard to kill. >Started the Shattering
Basically every single person who opposed her went off and murdered each other. Furthermore, the war absolutely trashed the strength/stability of the Golden Order (her main enemy). The resulting chaos of the Shattering gave her room to set her plans in motion which would have otherwise been impossible. >Marry’s the tarnished
You’re her little rare-sort >All of the above
Ranni, just like Marika, fricking seethes over the fact that God exists, and tries to tell her what to do. She is an advocate of free will, although it’s apparent that there’s no lengths she won’t go to, with zero concern for the amount of misery and suffering that will result from her actions.
So tl;dr she’s a psycho who had a woman moment, and then girlboss’d her way to victory. The bright side is that despite all of this, she seems to genuinely have some feelings for you.
>She is an advocate of free will, although it’s apparent that there’s no lengths she won’t go to
She follows the Dark Moon, an unknown entity of space whose moon eye thing kind of resembles the Astel's center eye.
Correct, but from what we can tell, it’s not actually telling her what to do.
She connects with some weird space entity that is helping her, but it’s not controlling her
The artist of OP's art is called Tina Fate and he's one of those guys that draws nothing but flavor of the month anime girls doing memes for upvotes on twitter. If I remember correctly he pretended to be a girl until he was doxxed.
She's a alpha widow who got dumped for a hourglass big breasts big ass 10/10 blonde goddess and knows that everything after Radagon will be a downgrade of the highest level so she accepts her fate and goes full depressed female volcel.
I didn't find Rennala attractive, but you just know she probably had some fat breasts and thighs. It's just her face is kind of uggo, not sure how old she is, but she looked easily in her 40's. I guess if you're into MILF's.
Because he was a truly devout tried and true Faithbro. He only married Rennala to win the Carians over to the Golden Order, even refurbished his wedding sword into a Golden Order one. He only merged (back) with Marika because he genuinely believes in the Golden Order's cause, even if it meant overriding Marika for her woman moment.
People who think he genuinely loved Rennala are coping Rennalagays. Fanartists who draw Marika/Radagon still pining for Rennala are the same. Radagon only ever cared about one thing, and that's his faith in the Greater Will over everything else.
Radagon just used Rennala for his/Marika's gain, I don't believe he ever truly loved her, and just wanted to gain power/information from Raya Lucaria and the Carian family.
Radagon was a dog of the Golden Order, it's why he went out of his way to try and repair the Elden Ring, Marika wanted nothing to do with the Golden Order anymore, so in a way she had betrayed the Greater Will, Radagon was punished by association even though he still served the Greater Will and wanted the Elden Ring repaired.
We really know nothing about Radagon's origin though, as others have said, Marika probably just created Radagon or willed him into existence, maybe the Greater Will did it? Either way he was clearly just a servant of the Greater Will/Golden Order.
>We really know nothing about Radagon's origin though, as others have said, Marika probably just created Radagon or willed him into existence, maybe the Greater Will did it?
It seems to be more likely that he was brought into existence out of sheer cognitive dissonance. Marika is the golden goddess and incarnate avatar of the erdtree, but she hates the erd tree and the elden ring? It makes no sense, and she knows it doesn't. Radagon rectifies exists not only to calcify order before it can decay further, but to bring logic to Marika's existence.
It would make more sense if the Greater Will created Radagon to keep Marika on a leash, or as a backup plan if Marika didn't work out. We know nothing about the Greater Will except that it's a god-like entity but it has no form or history that we know of, it wouldn't be out of the question that the Greater Will can just literally DO anything, of course it apparently couldn't stop us from slaying the Elden Beast and dismantling the Golden Order.
The Greater Will doesn't like to micromanage, despite what the homosexual fingers pretend. If anyone interfered, it was probably the Elden Beast itself, its influence growing inside of her as she continued to hate and scheme against it.
>Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal
The fact that everything in the game is perfectly killable by a random dickhead who's clearly weaker than everyone else is one of the most irreconcilable aspects of the game. All other Souls games rely on you being this grunt who has some special talent (usually, immortality) that allows them to overcome insurmountable enemies through sheer grit, but Elden Ring goes to far in building up its threats only to have them all fall to the same butthole, up to an including Gideon's A MAN CANNOT KILL A GOD followed up by a man killing said God by stabbing it a bunch of times like it was one of those random forest bears. It isn't even clear if your character is supposed to be able to revive of it's just a gameplay thing.
Sekiro was written around the same time as Elden Ring and that game made it clear Wolf was pretty damn good at his job already, so him also being able to revive makes him a match for his toughest enemies, which are almost all also just pretty good human fighters with the occasional superpower. Here the difference in power is ridiculous.
>up to an including Gideon's A MAN CANNOT KILL A GOD
The point of that speech is that Gideon is an idiot and a salty loser who was trying to rationalize some newbie being the grace given chosen champion and not him.
>Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal
that should be obvious, Ranni is a shell of herself in doll form and creating an illusion. Renalla's personal knights were strong enough to match Marika's champions, those being classified as people like Ragadon or Godfrey
>Weapon of knights sworn to Carian royalty. >These knights' swords could serve as catalysts, letting them wield sorcerous battle skills. Despite numbering fewer than twenty, this power made them a match for even the champions of gold in battle.
Ranni can just fricking kill you in one hit without being able to do anything. I find it hard to believe that she couldn't have made dream Renalla tougher if she wanted to. The more likely explanation is that this is just how strong she actually was, which makes sense, she was ultimately only human.
Anybody pretending anything relating to Melina isn't grievously unfinished is such a hopeless coping fanboy that there's no point in even addressing them. Just laugh at them.
>grievously unfinished
There's nothing implying that Melina had a bigger role. She's just the waifu of choice for the Frenzied Flame route. No more no less.
I can agree with that. We're talking 1,000 years of in-game history at the absolute least and Marika's life is a gigantic black hole. We barely know anything about Radagon, so it's not even worth theorizing when he "manifested" or whether he was a normal guy that fused with her.
>design change
it's canon in her actual game model. She has gold sewn into her remaining arm and fingers to save them from the rot, you can see her fingers are almost completely healthy because of it
Yeah, that's why they're both so powerful. They're near perfect copies of the only actual god in the setting. If Malenia wasn't cursed with the rot she'd be invincible.
>They're near perfect copies of the only actual god in the setting
when will morons learn "god" and "demigod" mean nothing and are just titles? Marika was just a literal who Numen with potential when she was chosen, Two Fingers just look for people with potential to select
>realize this game has side quest >what the frick am I doing >return to murderhoboing and looting their gear
I just entered the academy and realized I just broke in, murdered the guard dog and now gonna whack a hag to loot her stick that I can't use since I'm a Intlet and Arclet
>I just entered the academy and realized I just broke in, murdered the guard dog and now gonna whack a hag to loot her stick
yeah because god told you to
> Is the only boss to show the player respect > Doesn’t have any moronic schizo lore surrounding him > Has a based Tomboy chadess for a daughter instead of scheming demishits > Mogs every other boss in power level
What went so right with him?
that was kinda lame but on second thought it is indeed a cool reveal. It's also ironic that gideon dies claiming no tarnished can become lord... only for Godfrey to be a fightgay tarnished.
it's probably to show you that indeed, you can become the next elden lord
>It's also ironic that gideon dies claiming no tarnished can become lord... only for Godfrey to be a fightgay tarnished. >it's probably to show you that indeed, you can become the next elden lord
I never really thought about that but you're right
You're telling me Godfrey could solo Radahn or Melania? Kek, I'm not so sure about that. Godfrey was incredibly overhyped for a simple warrior class barbarian with no special powers or abilities.
what went wrong that I don't even remember this fight? fromsoft and ending a game. boss after boss after boss with no real lore, no real other content... yeah, after Crumbling Azula the game pretty much dies.
Not even going to go into the actual ending "cinematics".
disclaimer: Elden Ring is my favorite game ever and I started gaming in 90s. It's just that the ending is very very shit compared to the rest of the game.
Because Marika gave it back to all the tarnished to call them back to the Lands Between in hopes that one of them would be strong enough to kill the Elden Beast
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Anonymous
so godfrey's grace has been working this whole time, given to him by his girlfriend, and he's been afk for 5000 years until the day you showed up instead of saving his girlfriend?
1 year ago
Anonymous
He was dead, everyone mentioned in the opening cutscene is tarnished and were dead for an indeterminate amount of time until Marika gave grace back to them which brought them back to life. The intro shows him dead and strung up on a tree
1 year ago
Anonymous
so he revived at the same time as you or earlier, went afk until you beat the game, then showed up and tried to kill you for trying to save his girlfriend, something he should want to happen?
1 year ago
Anonymous
He wanted to become elden lord too, thats why you fight him.
1 year ago
Anonymous
so why didn't he become elden lore while you were in farum azula
1 year ago
Anonymous
He got lost
1 year ago
Anonymous
did you even play the game? the thorns were blocking the way until you killed maliketh, and even if they werent what does that accomplish if you would just fight him as elden lord
1 year ago
Anonymous
So that means godfrey, this supposedly infinitely honorable warrior saw the thorns and said "frick it, I bet a human will open it for me, then when he opens it I'll try to kill him"
1 year ago
Anonymous
maybe he was revived only after you started burning the erdtree
1 year ago
Anonymous
so the guy wakes up, sees the door opened and then waited to try and kill the guy that opened it instead of going in an saving his girlfriend, the whole reason he was revived
1 year ago
Anonymous
yeah
that's probably what a honorable warrior king would do
or at least a caricature of one
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's holding his son's body when you find him moron, he was mourning him so of course he didn't just toss him aside and sprint for the tree
1 year ago
Anonymous
So you're saying the motherfricker literally arrived as soon as you were about to go in? What the frick has he been doing the whole game? Shitting?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Frick if I know, but he makes it sound like he just got there
1 year ago
Anonymous
The intro cutscene implies that he was revived before you as Horah Loux. His journey probably involved him getting Sarosh to get on his back again, only for him to tear him in half.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Until the Endtree started burning, there was no way in. The Endtree burning was visible all over the Lands Between. When Godfrey saw that, then he knew it was time to go home.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Finishing Farum Azula and unsealing Destined Death is what opens up the Erdtree anon. He basically waited for you to arrive to decide who gets to go in.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The mantle of thorns prevented anyone from entering the erdtree, no one could get in until you burned it and he's presumably just showed up when you meet him and is preoccupied with his son's corpse
so why didn't he do it himself
it's HIS motherfricking girlfriend in there
1 year ago
Anonymous
Burning the Erdtree and unsealing Death was only possible due to Melina an heroing herself. Also Godfrey was maidenless.
right one of the strongest beings in the world is maidenless, but some scrawny beef jerky human isn't.... because a horse liked him
To be fair, Melina went out of her way for (You) when she didn't have to.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Godfrey was maidenless.
right finger maidens would obviously not be attracted to the strongest tarnished in the world, they'd go after a beef jerkey human
right one of the strongest beings in the world is maidenless, but some scrawny beef jerky human isn't.... because a horse liked him
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also why was morgott guarding a door that nobody could open?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>that nobody could open?
No one else knew that besides him.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's heavily inferred he had justarrived there late considering he was mourning Morgott who was guarding the Erdtree the whole time.
Until the Endtree started burning, there was no way in. The Endtree burning was visible all over the Lands Between. When Godfrey saw that, then he knew it was time to go home.
This. I imagine that the reason why he wouldn't even storm the capital is because he probably knew Morgott and co. are still defending it, else he'd have to face his own children.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The mantle of thorns prevented anyone from entering the erdtree, no one could get in until you burned it and he's presumably just showed up when you meet him and is preoccupied with his son's corpse
1 year ago
Anonymous
[...]
so why didn't he do it himself
it's HIS motherfricking girlfriend in there
He was figuring out how to noclip past Gideon, it took some time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He says he's returned to have an audience with her, and fights you to decide which of you is worthy of becoming her consort. He's a warrior lord after all >tarnished warrior, thy strength befits a crown
1 year ago
Anonymous
>for trying to save his girlfriend
Considering how you're both trying to be Elden Lord in most endings, you're basically stealing his role and gf.
you'd think somebody with such a strong honor system they'd beat the game themselves to save their girlfriend that revived them long before a scrawny human showed up to do it themselves
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's maidenless so he couldn't have burned the tree himself
1 year ago
Anonymous
right one of the strongest beings in the world is maidenless, but some scrawny beef jerky human isn't.... because a horse liked him
1 year ago
Anonymous
Finger maidens are in short supply, you can't just grab some random woman and chuck her into the kiln
1 year ago
Anonymous
right finger maidens would obviously not be attracted to the strongest tarnished in the world, they'd go after a beef jerkey human
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anon. There is ONE Kindling Maiden in the world. Only she and Frenzied Flame can burn the Erdtree. Was she accompanying Godfrey? Or you, the Tarnished?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah actually I never really thought about that but Bernahl tried to burn the tree with his maiden and it didn't work, it seems like only Melina and the pissfire can do it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>for trying to save his girlfriend
Considering how you're both trying to be Elden Lord in most endings, you're basically stealing his role and gf.
Remember that part where you meet Kenneth and he acts like it would be reasonable for someone not-Tarnished to come along and save him like there's still something resembling a functional society instead of the entirety of the Lands Between being a barren monster, infested shithole? I thought his deal would turn out to be that he was insane or delusional, but nope, just completely disjointed worldbuilding.
The fact that you can't just fricking tell malenia that you found Miquella is just so, so obviously the result of chopped content that it's not even funny. Especially since cut lines make it clear there was a whole plan for a plot there.
I like the part where Ranni never acknowledges the fact that I went to smack her moronic mom even if I'm carrying her Rune with me, and also Melina says absolutely fricking nothing for like 60 hours of gameplay even though she's supposed to be right there with me at all times, including when I'm hanging out with Doll Ranni.
Or the bit where I joined the Volcano Manor to rebel against the fate that nobody was doing anything to force me against and Gideon never seems to find out I'm butchering his buddies but it's okay because it's all dudes that you never once meet outside of said missions.
Or the bit where you freed Shit Eater for absolutely no reason your character could've been aware of at the time other than this being the only way to interact with him that isn't just killing him so frick it, you press the button.
I mean he IS completely delusional, it's just that no one thought it was necessary to put anything in the script that details that it's actually a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously >oh yeah now that the world has ended and the balance of every element in the universe is askew, what I really need right now is some rando who will come sit in my fricking decrepit castle filled with monkeys
Malenia literally becomes god (of rot) and still killed by a man with stick
Miquella got assfricked by his moronic omen brother
>Miquella got assfricked by his moronic omen brother >be in contact with eldritch god of tainted blood that gives you insane powers on top of demigod status >get killed by me, a random dude that accidentally into your underground palace somersaulting around, smacking you with a stick
>that details that it's actually a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously
I thought that was when you realized what the demi-humans actually were when you come back to his castle.
>Malenia (god tier swordsman who fricked pride Radahn) challenges you, a man with a stick to fight as soon as he sees you >Uses power of rot and literally becomes a goddes mid fight >Attacks you with flowers, that can nuke whole continent with rot, multiple times >Still loses
To be fair, you're always just slightly out of time to see some last vestige of a functioning civilization. Like Castle Mourne was a functioning place until very recently. >But the soldiers all all pasty
Those guys might be fricked up but they're still functional people. If they had shouted repetitive lines like the Huntsmens in BB you'd be clapping and saying "great world building".
Which reminds me, Albinauric males actually do have speaking lines like "No no" and "Get away from me".
Malenia is the best boss that Fromsoft has made. There are so many viable ways to deal with her. It just filters people who spam dodge button instead of trying to come up with a strategy.
Reminder that Elden Ring was designed to have a bunch of cool looking shit first and story second. It's like if you went on deviantart and pulled the 20 best fantasy artworks and then tried to come up with a story to pull them all together.
unironically the involvement of GRRM ruined it
introducing "royal family squabbles and backstabbing" into the story didn't make that mundane shit interesting, it just made the rest of the story feel mundane.
unironically it would have been more interesting to chase the Rune of Death and have that function like the Immortal Blade, where you can actually perma-kill shit
It impacts the story because the Erdtree and GO sustain themselves by feeding off of the energy of making humanity constantly wage war, reviving them, and keeping the cycle of war going. By using the RoD, you upset the GO's cycle by perma-killing the people who were supposed to be feeding it energy via warfare. No need to introduce "well see the queen was upset because her consort fricked another girl and then they all got upset."
>all of them get brought back from dying
If not for the intro cinematic, there wouldn't be a single goddamn thing in the game even vaguely hinting at the Tarnished being undead. The only things in the game are "ye dead, who still live" and the shots of Gideon in his tomb and PoopoMuncher getting hanged. Then the game starts and this is never brought up again, much less any mention of how this ties up with the other type of undead that is bad, unlike your type of undead, which is good.
They did the undead protagonist thing at the start because this is Dark Souls 4, but then completely forgot about it during the rest of the game.
deepest lore is that you were somebody that was banished by Marika from the Lands Between (the interstice) as a 500IQ move to give her footsoldiers when she confused the GO by shattering the elden ring
>mash through all character dialogue, skip all cutscenes, and don't read any loredumps in item descriptions >"wtf this game has no story who even are these people"
>no you don't understand, if you go back to the Sacred Forest and use the "Scratching Balls" gesture at exactly 3:00 AM in front of the second from the left statue AFTER killing Zanzibart but BEFORE killing the Myrmidon of Loss, you'll get the "Mound of Exalted Earwigs Chalice" that you can take to the Roundtable Hold and Zarnubius will tell you that he's paraplegic now
>Malenia (god tier swordsman who fricked pride Radahn) challenges you, a man with a stick to fight as soon as he sees you >Uses power of rot and literally becomes a goddes mid fight >Attacks you with flowers, that can nuke whole continent with rot, multiple times >Still loses
>Scarlet Rot can drive you insane and basically is hyper-leprosy that turns you into a husk doomed to wander Caelid for eternity >get scarlet rot >oops my HP is going down >eat a literal random fungus you found on the ground >ok im cool now
Rot can drive you insane and basically is hyper-leprosy that turns you into a husk doomed to wander Caelid for eternity >>get scarlet rot >>oops my HP is going down >>eat a literal random fungus you found on the ground >>ok im cool now
The player tarnished is special and sees the guidance of grace when all or at least most of the others have lost sight of it. Rogier gets blighted once and fricking dies, but we can walk it off. Same deal with scarlet rot
GRRM's involvement is literally why the game is still being talked about. This whole thread literally exists because of people discussing why Rennala's husband left her for his chick half.
> unironically the involvement of GRRM ruined it
introducing "royal family squabbles and backstabbing" into the story didn't make that mundane shit interesting, it just made the rest of the story feel mundane.
The royal family squabbling is literally the only part of the story people still give a shit about lmao. The rest of the lore is just a bunch of vague underdeveloped concepts that conflict with each other.
>It's like if you went on deviantart and pulled the 20 best fantasy artworks and then tried to come up with a story to pull them all together.
/tg/ does this regularly and with far more skill than Elden Stink
>When they left did they have some weird tarnished only society
Yes. That's where the "Warrior" class is from and where Godfrey and Nepheli hail from. >A twinblade wielding warrior from a nomadic tribe.
Grace would have killed them. Removing it saved them and granted them a will of their own.
Godfrey was a hero of old who completed his mission; the immediate next step for the guidance of gold was to just go and die and be eaten by the Erdtree.
>In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self.
Why don't the Tarnished just leave the Land Between? The Land of Reeds can't be that far and it doesn't have Black personmen pulling strings behind the scene.
They literally did leave the Lands Between, following Godfrey. At least that's what the orginal batch of Tarnished did.
Everyone who became Tarnished after that is the bunch of idiots chosen by the Greater Will.
Is it so hard to believe that Radagon and Marika were separate people but basically shared the same "soul" or being the same "person" in a cosmic sense making up one half of a whole?
A lot of Japanese media have done that shit both old and new, from Nier's Devola and Popola up to modern anime like Jujutsu Kaisen. It's really nothing new for them.
Fanboys cope about how the game is totally not horrendously unfinished because they can written ten paragraphs of 99% made-up horseshit to explain all the holes in the plot, but the fact remains that the most popular ending route remains Ranni's, which is coincidentally the only one that seems to involve characters with narrative and shit, and rave all about Radhan, whose lore is all completely explicit and most of which is presented in one of those straightforward cutscenes with narration they claim the game is higher-brow for eschewing.
The reason Ranni has a bunch of dialogue and shit and you'd be forgiven for forgetting Melina exists despite having the obvious closed eye symmetry that's never explained is simple: they cut content like motherfrickers. Same reason the gate to Mohg's palace was in Milenia's backyard and that after you kill Mohg supposedly to get to Miquella, the plotline just ends and you don't even get his Rune from his corpse, if he's even dead at all, and also you never mention any of this to Malenia, who also fights you because randomly trying to murder you specifically is the only thing everyone in this continent seems to agree on.
The tiny little portal arch hidden away in a corner of the secret pathway to a tree that hardly anyone even knew existed? Yeah crazy that no one stumbled across it I know
> but the fact remains that the most popular ending route remains Ranni's, which is coincidentally the only one that seems to involve characters with narrative and shit,
It’s also coincidently the one where you get to become consort to a cute girl. I somehow thinks that may have more to do with it…
>I somehow thinks that may have more to do with it…
Anon is delusional. Allowing you to actually marry Ranni is definitively the main reason why it's picked so many times. I still remember when other waifugays kept trying to justify their choices in pursuing the other girls whether or not they liked their respective questlines.
Hell, most Melinagays have switched to the Frenzied Flame ending because it turns her into a yandere that will forever chase you to the ends of the earth.
I mean that's fair, but you'd be surprised how many Melinagays switched over to the Frenzied Flame ending over time because it gave her more content and personality in trying to stop you and because you end up saving her from killing herself.
Ranni being From's most explicit waifu to date certainly helps things, but I think it matters a lot that she has the only major questline where you constantly visit locations, talk to characters and develop a bond with both them and her before it's over. I think it's one of the reasons people love her but nobody gives a rat frick about Anri from DS3 despite you marrying her too, her questline seems like the only one where From allowed themselves to stop being so beholden to their paltry, piecemeal quest structure and actually let you fricking talk to someone and learn who they are and what they want
If Sekiro is any indication, it's probably far less of a design choice than just the fact that the game was clearly rushed as hell. ER feels like they did all the locations and scenery first, and then had to scrape together the actual present-time events while racing the deadlines.
Miquella stinks of this
you kill Mohg, who says unequivocally that Miquella is sleeping and metamorphosing
then you just leave him there
and Gideon leaves you with "idk, we should probably do something about him, maybe kill him? or uhhhhh just leave him
and the game ends, with Miquella just sitting underground in a spider egg with his hand hanging out
He's probably going to be the focus of the dlc, he's by far the most interesting demigod and he's the one we know the least about aside from maybe Godwyn
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I hope so. I want his fricking twinblades. Both of them.
He's obviously meant to be the focus of a DLC, but whether that's because they ran out of time to do anything else or if that was always the plan is hard to say. It's wishful thinking but I hope the DLC answers a lot of questions the base game poses instead of going off on some bizarre new tangent that also doesn't get explored thoroughly
>manipulative, backstabbing piece of shit that lords over people and ends up completely undermining and destroying her own society in her blind rage and hubris
You're right
>two lgbt characters >one goes totally nuts and causes the event that moves the game >the other is a literal underground-dwelling pervert that somehow commits both pedophilia and incest because he believes that fricking his kid brother will make him a queen
>and the coprophile who wants to rape spirituality itself
at least dung eater has a similar explanation to the reason why the Headless reaches into your literal butthole in Sekiro
You know how they set up the thing with the Frenzied Flame people possessing corpses like Shabriri possessing Yura and Hyetta having the exact same model and voice as that chick that dies in Limgrave? But then they did frick-all with the idea with Hyetta and just left that girl's corpse where it was so they're just perfect dopplegangers for no reason?
Also remember how Pebbles got a random addition to his quest line where he shows up in a place he has no fricking connection to and gives you a thing to return to Tanith, but just says "I do not need that thing" and that was the end to the quest, and then later they did another addition to his quest that is definitely not them just scraping whatever that was supposed to lend to and instead reusing all the code and locations from the beginning of his quest to just call it quits?
I don't get why anybody says this game is unfinished.
They should have removed Irina's corpse and I'm sure that was an oversight, but it the concept wasn't "for no reason" and they did do something important with it: establish that Shabriri is a fricking liar.
I dunno mang, this chick who lit herself on fire vaguely hinted at it being necessary before dying and also I just showed up here outta nowhere and had no fricking clue that you had it. Frankly, if you had just been like "sup,dude, wat up?" I wouldn't have had the foggiest fricking reason we needed to fight at all.
"Also, how do I get down from here? And how did you get here to begin with? You're supposed to be the same as Blaidd and he can't teleport wherever he wants either."
The only unfinished parts are a handful of sidequests that don't have anything to do with the main plot like Tanith, and people keep acting like that means the entire plot of the game is an unfinished mess when it's by far the most complete and clear-cut of any of these games
>people keep acting like that means the entire plot of the game is an unfinished mess when it's by far the most complete and clear-cut of any of these games
are you fricking kidding me?
Bloodborne: >solid resolution where it's revealed that in fact the moon presence was controlling everything and the reason the Hunter's Dream exists is because a bunch of quack scientists started transfusing people with eldritch god blood, thus allowing them to see a bizarro realm inhabited by eldritch abominations
Sekiro: >Dragons heritage came from the west, once you uncover all of the necessary steps to access the divine realm, you can learn that you actually have a way to return the dragon's heritage where it came from and balance the forces of life and death again. The Mortal Blades were created as a way to sever immortality should DH ever fall into the hands of someone unprepared to deal with it, but had to be wielded by someone who was immortal so that those unaware of its power could never use it.
I'll give you Dark Souls since between 2 and 3 it stopped making sense to anyone that wasn't obsessively searching out lore
I wasn't including Sekiro because it's different enough from the rest of them that I don't really consider it part of the "series," but acting like Bloodborne doesn't have tons of cryptic unexplained or poorly explained shit in it is just disingenuous
Radagon isn't even real, he's a shizo manifestation Marika was cursed with after fighting the fire giants. That's why he has the red hair, mark of the fire giants, that both he and Marika despise. Marika is the "main personality". He's basically Doppio from Jojo.
How long does it take them to make a fricking DLC anyway
We're approaching the anniversary of the original launch date before the delay to March and still have basically nothing to go off of besides datamined files that suggest a DLC is in the making
The obvious difference between the game just very plainly laying some things out for you in cinematic and dialogues while leaving extremely important stuff (including just giving supposedly major characters any screentime) to be, ehem, "gleamed" from choppy bits of scattered shit is probably the most hilarious example of why deep lore fanboys claiming these are deliberate design choices are delusional.
One of my favorite examples if how the singing vulture enemy things actually have coherent lyrics and all. Then a pivotal lore fact relating to the central figure of the setting is delivered via a fricking tooltip located several meters away from the completely useless statue that supposedly held the actual secret. Acting like this was anything but the devs hurriedly stringing together whatever they could at the last minute and that they totally meant it to be like this from the start is just the highest of cope.
Most quests were literally unfinished on release for fricks' sake. Not broken or bugged, the fricking content wasn't even in the game. For months there were these obviously conspicuous, closed structures and that ghost lamenting why the gates wouldn't open for him, and the answer to that mystery ended up being "this was the cut coliseum content we couldn't get ready for release."
>Then a pivotal lore fact relating to the central figure of the setting is delivered via a fricking tooltip located several meters away from the completely useless statue that supposedly held the actual secret.
Turtle Pope tells you that the statue of Radagon in Leyndell harbors a secret, and when you find Corhyn and Goldmask in Leyndell Corhyn tells you that Goldmask's autism discovered Radagon's name in whatever he's doing and it brought him to a standstill. It's not just random happenstance or impossible to figure out
>Turtle Pope tells you that the statue of Radagon in Leyndell harbors a secret, and when you find Corhyn and Goldmask in Leyndell Corhyn tells you that Goldmask's autism discovered Radagon's name in whatever he's doing and it brought him to a standstill
yeah, the path to uncovering lore reads like a fricking Holders story >on the fifth night of the second week of the year on a bloodmoon, travel to the nearest bus station and ask the attendant if he knows of a place you can stay the night. He will respond "I have, but only for those who seek the Old Truth." He will open a door for you, you must enter it backwards. If you hear someone whisper "so sad that Steve Jobs died of Ligma" DO NOT respond to them. You will bump into an archaic double door. Peer through the mail slot, and someone will hand you an airplane bottle of Maker's Mark. Drink half of it, then pour the rest on the ground, whispering "for those who have not yet learned to see" in French. If done correctly, a trapdoor will open for you, and you will fall for so long that you go unconscious. When you awake, there will be seven Shiba Inu's standing near you. One will hold a scroll. Pick up this scroll, but don't read it. Exit the room that you're in and walk up a set of stairs, only using the steps that correspond to prime numbers. When you open the door at the top, you'll notice that the scroll has turned into a McDouble. Eat exactly half of it. The half that remains is the "Holder of the End"
>a character tells you a statue of a major character holds a secret >in the area the statue is in, two characters you've met before mention that major character's name stopping their progress >find statue of major character, a message directly in front of it says the name of a spell that you can buy from the characters just mentioned >said spell's description says it dispels all illusions and trickery >cast spell that reveals illusions in front of statue that you were told hides a secret in order to reveal the secret
It's a bit of a thread but it's nowhere near as complicated as you're pretending it is
What the frick does that have to do with the thing you quoted?
>Turtle Pope tells you that the statue of Radagon in Leyndell harbors a secret
Yes, that's the point, you moron. Turn out the statue DOESN'T hold a secret, because the secret is instead spelled out by a random tooltip close to it. Which is so obviously not the way the game presents fricking everything else that it was clearly not how that was meant to go, but it was so obviously the result of rushed development that they probably hacked that together in rush instead of doing whatever they originally meant to do with the actual statue.
You cast a spell that dispels illusions in front of a statue of Radagon, and that statue physically transforms into a statue of Marika. The opening cutscene shows Marika smashing the elden ring and then immediately after it shows Radagon in the same position in the same spot trying to repair it. You see Marika transform into Radagon in the final boss fight. Melina quotes Marika to you, calling Radagon "mine other self." The developer message is there to spell it out for braindead slackjawed morons like you who couldn't put two and two together even after all of that
I can't imagine why anybody would think Elden Ring is unfinished. From has such a spotless record of totally never delivering unfinished shit with reams of stuff obviously chopped together at the last minute.
Regarding the Pope Turtle-Radagon-Goldmask questline, I don't get why people would want lore drops explained outright without your own investment or input in actually pursuing these quests and lorebits. It makes the world feel more authentic in actually forcing you to engage with it in pursuing this knowledge instead of just being spoonfed to you on a silver platter in some obligatory cutscene.
The fanboy is pretending that the game wasn't rushed as hell and deliberately missing the fact that "random player message spelling out vital setting details in plain language" was clearly not a result of deliberate planning. Everything else is diversion.
As far as everyone else knows Radagon left his wife for Marika for basically no reason, meanwhile Marika calls the shots and laid out the Elden Lord scheme as a challenge to Godfrey/Hoarah Loux and the rest. It's also stated a fair number of times Radagon and Rennala's marriage was a very happy one until he left, and he's apparently still attached enough to her that he reforged the Moonlight Greatsword wedding gift from her into the Elden Ring themed greatsword.
that's not even all >most characters have different VAs in the Network Test - 4 months before release >scarlet rot didn't even fricking exist then >1.0 rot lake has completely different enemies, unique types of Ancestor Followers that are absent from the current game
and more
they probably quickly changed shit like 2-3 months before game released and this is how we got this culsterfrick
The fact that a game nominally about becoming king to supposedly unfrick the setting doesn't have a single plotline about doing anything about the red supercancer is another stone leftover mess.
If you were willing to give the game way more credit than it deserves, you could argue that restoring the Rune of Death should fix that one. Although a better presented story would have actually addressed that detail at least once.
It wouldn't fix it because Godwyn's body is still alive, it's his soul that's dead and his half-alive body is still poisoning the erdtree and spreading around the world through its roots
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was gonna say it can be handwaved by claining unsealing death enforces the natural order and causes godwyn to die a true death but then I remembered ranni's still alive so frick the lore
1 year ago
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They're both only half dead and it's as a result of artificial frickery with the laws of reality so it's unclear what would happen to them
The snowfield and the tree are a shelter for refugees and absolutely, positively not just a cheap excuse to populate them with reused enemies because the deadlines were getting tight at the time.
Just like how the Skeletal Star Bullshit Mosquito that supposedly fricked up the eternal cities and is clearly supposed to be unique has a random identical cousin just chilling in a random mine.
>The snowfield and the tree are a shelter for refugees
That is literally their defined purpose in the game and the enemies you find there are explicitly described as persecuted untermensch so I don't know why you're being smarmy about it
wow fromsoft literally created lore to reuse assets
I'm impressed
1 year ago
Anonymous
Every developer in the world reuses assets
1 year ago
Anonymous
every developer creates lore as an excuse to copy paste enemies?
I'm impressed
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, almost none of them do which is why it's nice when one actually does for a change
1 year ago
Anonymous
fromsoft is so based because they're lazy as frick but they make excuses for it
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you capable of seething any harder or is this you topped out
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm seething? I'm jsut happy there's finally a dev that can admit they're lazy as frick and people still gargle their balls
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but they at least don't write bullshit ""lore"" to justify the reuse. Most either don't draw any attention to it or it's just part of the game design
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why would you rather they not give an in universe reason for it? Seems silly to me
1 year ago
Anonymous
If they do it's bad, if they don't it's bad. No, the problem isn't between the keyboard and the chair, why do you ask?
1 year ago
Anonymous
If it's bad either way then quit b***hing about it
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because you draw attention to blatant reuse and if that reuse isn't satisfactory, it becomes a bigger negative than if you hadn't written homosexual lore to explain it.
It's like an 80s Action flick foreshadowing or explaining why a car exploded after a crash.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm happy to know that you decide for us all what is and isn't satisfactory
I guess those unexplained Night Cavalry Ringwraith ripoffs are also Untermensch
1 year ago
Anonymous
Miquella and Malenia were part of the Golden Order and they have lordsworn under their command that presumably followed them to the Haligtree when they forsook the GO
Your obsessive whiteknighting for a company with a long and storied history of not finishing thing in time is noted.
1 year ago
Anonymous
ya blew it champ
1 year ago
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Your obsession with shitting on that company for every teeny tiny little thing as though each one is some colossal frickup that will surely tank the studio this time is noted
I want more lore on the Unalloyed Gold.
Did everyone just use gold alloys the entire time since gold itself was scarse?
Is the Haligtree planted over a giant gold deposit or some shit?
Actually it's not the issue of content reuse.
It's WHICH content is re-used.
I'm fine with caves having bears, wolves etc. and enemies that make sense.
But when you have a shitty cave with a fricking Fallingstar Beast that has no business being there, i start to raise my eyebrows.
Hell, fricking Skyrim caves are more immersive and lore accurate than Elden Shit where it's arcadey piece of gamified content with grace at the start and convenient teleport at the end to take you back after you are done with "Piece of Content (TM)" as approved by some suit exec.
I like how Malenia has a move to disengage in order to preserve her posture, except that since in this game bosses recover posture so slowly (do they even recover it at all?) that it doesn't make any difference and she has way better ways to stop your attacks anyway. Not to mention the consequence of a posture break is just a critical hit with milquetoast damage that's lower than a Bleeding proc.
Because she definitely isn't a sloppily reused asset swap of another katana-wielding lady from a different game starring a guy with an artificial arm against whom posture-preserving disengages actually made any fricking sense. FromSoft never cuts content and chops it up together later, that's just crazy talk.
Malenia in the game was actually toned down from how they initially designer her. She originally had two different waterfowl dances and she could also block your attacks (there are youtube videos showing it), I assume there are leftover animations from that
She clearly had to be nerfed since she was obviously intended for Wolf to fight, and Wolf actually has counters to her crap. And even then they were sloppy with it. For instance, there's the fact that she can cancel out of a stagger, which is bullshit in Elden Ring, but would be fine in Sekiro since Wolf can also cancel out of attacks to deflect. Waterfowl was obviously just a souped up One Mind you were intended to deflect, none of this "dodge towards the camera then away from it" bullshit.
Her old AI is much more in line with a Sekiro boss than an Elden Ring or Dark Souls boss, yeah. There's videos of the 1.0 version of the game that showcase all her old behavior, and even in the final game the description for "Waterfowl Dance" makes more sense with the now-unused one than it does with the used one.
>get destroyed by malenia on NG+6, have to try for almost an hour to beat her >fast forward to me doing a normal playthrough rushing to the bosses >easily beat her first try at lvl 85
Moments when you realized you gotted gud
The total number of demigods is another thing the game barely touches on. Judging by info from gideon, enia, bernahl, vyke, etc. there were a bunch of demigods out there we don't know, with great runes of their own. Also, each walking mausoleum houses a "soulless demigod", apparently one of many to die on the same night as godwyn. And apparently in the same way, soul but not body. Which also connects to the mausoleum knights, and the eclipse ritual that miquella apparently tried to bring about for godwyn. Jesus christ, that's a lot
There really is a lot of confusing and vague stuff in this game but I love it all
Many of them had children that we don't hear about, we know Godrick is a descendant of Godwyn and Rykard had god knows how many mutant snake bastard children so I'd imagine several of the others also had kids and those kids had kids and most of them just weren't very important
Quick reminder that the game was originally about the great runes. Not just "rune of godrick" bullshit we had >the rune decay for malenia >rune of abundance for miquella >rune of connection for godrick >miquella quest with miquella credited 5 months before release >the ability to channel the runes power
Well, for some reason they decided to not use the fricking thing the very game was named after
The fact that there's no in-game reason to actually gather all the runes is another obvious dead end. Loregays can fanwank all they want about "you're securing your future rule from challengers!" or whether, but it's an obvious mechanic they dropped.
You can't enter the capital without 2 great runes iirc, unless you use some kind of exploit. Maybe activating the elevator on the divine tower, or something. Through normal play, any player should have at least 3 great runes when beating the game
Ok I actually didn't know that, still dumb the runes aren't a requirement to make the elden ring and instead they put a wall in your way for no reason.
Technically you can enter Leyndell through the teleporter trap in the Weeping Peninsula, but you can't actually reach the capital proper with it.
In lore the reason you need 2 great runes to explore the capital is because the Two Fingers itself is blocking the two ways into the actual city, as it wants you to 'prove yourself worthy' before you can reach the throne.
You get transported there via a trapped chest. Get an invader to raise the lift for you.
The "barrier" is just that, a flimsey door at the service entrance.
Golden Godfrey can be your first boss if you want.
Looks like you didn't play the game enough.
You can't enter the capital without 2 great runes iirc, unless you use some kind of exploit. Maybe activating the elevator on the divine tower, or something. Through normal play, any player should have at least 3 great runes when beating the game
Its just crazy that they couldn't even be bothered to actually give some flavor text to the runes like "this is the rune of decay, it controls the cycle of decay that affects all things" ot something like that. Especially considering that was the original plan for the runes. There is literally nothing to the runes. They are just some random pieces for the elden ring. Except for the rune of the unborn and the rune of the death. THOSE do something. For some reason. Well, originally it was planned that you could channel all the runes through your blade.
Honestly I always got the vibe that he never had a choice. Radagon seems to have been fond of his first wife, he still kept the sword Rennala gave him which is her version of a wedding ring, but he's also defined by his dogmatic loyalty to the Golden Order. When Marika started pushing back on the Greater Will, Radagon was called back to keep an eye on her because he's their loyal dog and he'll do anything they ask no question.
My ex gf once wore my clothes, even my ballcap which i used to wear often and started to speak like me as a goof. I never had been harder. I fricked her there and then. The more she spoke like me and moaned the hotter it was.
I've always had the opinion his "love" was just an act. He worked his way into her heart, made Renala love him so deeply, and left her so brutally, just to destroy Caria. He'd lost 2 wars against her and couldn't win through force, so he won through charm. Truly devious. I think Radagon is legit the biggest Golden Order simp willing to do anything at the behest of his God. Marika saw the damage of the Greater Will preying upon the people of Earth and the Lands and sacrifices everything to free all life from the grasp of the Gods. In the end she succeeded and it was left to us to write a new order. In her eyes, nothing could be worse than being a slave to the divine. In Radagon's nothing could be better.
If Marika and Radagon are the same person then why does Radagion oppose us at the end of the game and try to fix the ring? If Radagon is a different form of Marika or created by her, why did she do that?
Even if the theory that they were the same person is as literal as it sounds, split-personalities aren't exactly new in fiction, anon.
Thats just returning chimerism to the world as it was when the Crucible was dominant. Its just filtered through the Narrator's lens as a "curse". The Knot talismans say Omenhood was once considered a blessing.
If Marika and Radagon are the same person then why does Radagion oppose us at the end of the game and try to fix the ring? If Radagon is a different form of Marika or created by her, why did she do that?
They're physically and maybe spiritually the same/connected, but Radagon still exists as an entity distinct from Marika, one who still adheres firmly to the Golden Order and wants to defend it at all costs. We don't know why she did it, but if you figure he was created by Marika, she likely split the aspect of herself that was willing to adhere to the GO off to do it's own thing so she could focus on subverting the GO and setting up her plan to frick over the Greater Will
>she likely split the aspect of herself that was willing to adhere to the GO off to do it's own thing so she could focus on subverting the GO and setting up her plan to frick over the Greater Will
Yeah, this is how I've always taken it and why the Greater Will beckoned Radagon to return and fuse with her.
Radagon never cared about Rennala, and only wanted access to sorcery and to sabotage a potential threat. His icon even says that he only did it because he felt incomplete, the prospector mask says he stamped down on sorcerers, and the telescope even says that carian astrology was withering into nothing under his reign.
The rune of the unborn might be a mistranslation, it might mean a rune of "a" unborn god, as in singular.
its the same person moron lol
they weren't always the same person moron
started as same then split and rejoined
>english translation is the real lore
no tard
>lore was written by GRRM, an Englishman
my Black person?????
If they were ever separate people, we have no timeline of when it happened specifically. The earliest mention of radagon is the war between the golden order and raya lucaria. Then they all made up, and radagon and rennala had 3 demigod children, meaning radagon must have been a god at that point.
I personally am not convinced of the separate person theory, but it's all pretty unclear. I can't claim otherwise for certain
they werent separate , and given that ancient dragon guys lore I assume the elden beast was always radagon and marika and possibly even created all the humans
>Then they all made up, and radagon and rennala had 3 demigod children, meaning radagon must have been a god at that point.
I think they retroactively are given the demigod title after Radagon & Marika's marriage. Demigod doesn't necessarily mean half god, it can also mean a human who is raised to a god-like status, and I'd imagine you would qualify for that if your dad marries god.
Enea says the demigods are all Marika's direct offspring. I swear none of you people actually played the game
u guys are still thinking too short term, and missing out the fact that dragonlord is waiting outside of time for elden beast to send him a text, the elden ring/ beast is marika/radagon or at least made them, and existed on the lands between before humans
Enea is a continuity error that forgets that people don't know Radagon is Marika.
The intro cutscene also says the demigods are all Marika's children. It's not a continuity error, it's supposed to be a reveal that's right in front of your face but that most people gloss over because they don't have context for it and it doesn't seem important at the time
Technically it says all Marika's children are demigods, not that all demigods are Marika's children
Enea says they're all Marika's direct offspring
The fact that they were the same person was a secret though, hence the whole autistic sidequest with the statue.
I'm not even saying that Radagon and Marika weren't the same person at the time, just that the average citizen would not know it and that Ranni/Radahn wouldn't be called demigods in-universe until the marriage.
It's literally stated in the game that they were raised to demigod status when radagon married Marika.
And it's because Radagon BECAME Marika.
Also Marika herself wasn't always a god.
and this matters why
You're mad other people "didn't play the game" while being a speedreader. moron.
I'm mad? I think it's hilarious a smelly virgin like you is spamming about the worst fromsoft lore ever created
It's interesting and you're a miserable contrarian c**t
shit eating morons like you should have been aborted
You should have a nice day to spare yourself another day of being a joyless piece of shit
cope troony loregay
you will always be pathetic
have a nice day worthless homosexual you add nothing to the world
cope troony loregay
have a nice day worthless homosexual
cope troony loregay
>I think they retroactively are given the demigod title after Radagon & Marika's marriage.
Ranni and Radahn are both incredibly fricking powerful. We don't know how strong Rykard was before he fed himself to the god devouring serpent, but we do know that Ranni thought that he was capable of going head to head with Maliketh as long as he had a way to stave off destined death. They were not human.
The earliest mention is the war with the Giants where he was cursed with Red hair. I believe this war happened first as the First Church of Marika is found there in the Mountaintops. The Flame was the fledgling tree's biggest threat, then the Dragons, then Limgrave, THEN Radagon ascends from champion to Elden Lord with the conquest of Caria.
I don't know why people believe this. Like, what would stop Marika from just becoming Radagon for a bit, not like anyone would know she was gone.
i'm pretty sure a lot of people in leyndell would notice if the queen went missing for a few months
Morgott is famous for being the Veiled King, as almost nobody has ever met him directly.
yeah but that was after shit hit the fan
Still, the ruling Monarch being unapproachable for most people and only ruling through proxies is extremely common in fiction and I think it wasn't unheard of in history.
Hewg was terrified of Marika so it's logical to assume she wasn't the kindest, most present ruler
it can split doesnt mean its not still the same thing, did you miss the part where both are an ayylmao ? same ayyylmao that made placidusax elden lord before there was even humans im assuming? you are thinking too small in terms of "oh its marika and its radagon, perfectly normal real humans"
>I don't know why people believe this
There is a line from a dialogue in which Marika is talking to Radagon and she say "You have yet to become a god, you have yet to become me".
A lot of people took that as meaning that they became one later, but I heard that the original Japanese dialogue is more akin to her talking to a split personality and telling him that he's not the main personality, or something like that.
Because Radagon is a wildly different personality who acts counter to Marika and even continues to take over to defend the Elden Beast after Marika has been imprisoned. It makes more sense that Radagon was either an entirely different person who fused with Marika, or was some kind of counter personality who she forcibly split off from and then recombined with later, than it is for both of them to have always occupied the same body and have done everything they did. Marika couldn't just disappear for the years it would take for Radagon to lead the war against Raya Lucaria, end it, and have several children with Rennala
Not that anon and yeah, I don't think they're the same literal person. I think it's more likely Radagon was some alternate personality split off from her or at least some sort of being willed by the Greater Will to counteract Marika. Also the game has a lot of conjoined imagery and twinned opposites so it's possible they could've been weird siblings too.
>Marika couldn't just disappear for the years it would take for Radagon to lead the war against Raya Lucaria,
Why not
I suppose it could have happened, we just never hear about it, but we also hear about so little involving Marika that you can really only speculate
I'm just saying it's certainly not the only example of a major ruler being out of sight for years. Few to anyone had actually seen Morgott for his entire reign as king of Leyendell, and Radagon spent the entirety of his tenure as elden lord sealed in the erdtree. It doesn't seem unreasonable that Marika couldn't have sequestered herself away and then snuck out the back door as radagon. Especially if a margit-esque doppelganger was left behind.
Marika is the original and then created Radagon. Everyone wondered who the frick Radagon was and where he came from as well.
This. A lot of character are confused over Radagon's existence and why he's Marka's favorite despite literally coming out of nowhere. Even if he was a separate person from Marika, it's still heavily implied that he was closely tied to her from the very beginning.
So Marika is a futa?
haha that would be so weird
Yes they were. Why do you think Radagon's kids with Renalla are demigods?
There is literally nothing in the game to suggest they were ever two seperate people. The game only ever hammers away saying they are the same person
Radagon was married to Rennala in Liurnia at the same time as Marika was married to Godfrey in Leyndell, they were able to be in two different places at the same time. I don't think that makes them separate people but maybe it's a Doctor Manhattan sort of thing where she can project copies of herself
>but maybe it's a Doctor Manhattan sort of thing where she can project copies of herself
they can literally do that. Both Godfrey AND Morgott do it
Bro, that's obviously what's going on. Marika split part of her consciousness into a separate entity while she still ruled in Lydnell. Why she originally did it is up to player interpretation (I believe she wanted to have one side of her free while the other completely dedicates herself to the greater will) but eventually it all came crashing down when Godwyn was killed. And I do think it's irony that her half that was dedicated to the greater will is the one that betrayed it, but that's all my conjecture. The only thing that is definitely set in stone is that they existed at the same time and are still part of the same being, just split.
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You're confusing things up moron. They were ALWAYS the same body, but two different people. You make it sound like they could just split apart and go their separate ways, then rejoin. You got it fricking confused. Split doesn't mean apart, it means separate. I can split an apple but it's still the same apple, it isn't separate apples.
selfcest is hot ngl
Spoilers gaygio
>Going into an Elden Ring Thread on Ganker without expecting spoilers
Oui
>thinking Fromsoft games have a plot beyond a vage excuse that wouldn't suffice even for a porn movie script
The gameplay is ok, but the community for these games is so moronic, man.
They're like God and Jesus Christ
The same, but different
Self fugg
>hurrrr my husband left me I’m le insane now
Lazy writing
>my husband who was actually an ayylmao troony who gave me weird magic egg
She didn’t know ginger boy was Marika and the egg would’ve had no side effects on her since she had the great rune of the unborn, which is how we’re able to get reborn without becoming full morons
that rune is other trannies rune though, since it matches milenias
so how come all her moron children turn out wrong if she has the rune needed to do it properly?
Only works on herself
Elden ring is more like
>something bad happened long ago
>everyone becomes insane and wants to kill the player
>long ago
you just described the entire dark souls trilogy too
At least Bloodborne and Dark Souls have an actual excuse for everyone being mad and attacking you
So does Elden Ring
It doesn't
It never really explains why the ordinary enemies are fricked up hollows
Plenty of people still have their sanity and the distinction between them and your average footsoldier is never made apparent
There's no actual widespread curse in play making people into hyper aggressive insane beef jerky men as in Dark Souls, they just are
>It never really explains why the ordinary enemies are fricked up hollows
Because they're immortal and they've been trapped in neverending wars for centuries unable to ever truly die
>Plenty of people still have their sanity and the distinction between them and your average footsoldier is never made apparent
Nearly all of them are tarnished like you, they've been outside the Lands Between while shit hit the fan. There are only a handful of exceptions like Kenneth Haight and Seluvis
I mean, canonically, Tarnished are basically like a black cat walking under a ladder while breaking a mirror. They're a tremendously bad omen and so generally you're attacked because everyone in the world hates you and wants you to leave ASAP.
>What the frick made her decide to shatter the ring like that?
snapping the ROD in half basically made the GO shit the bed and panic. basically the GO was operating at the behest of the Erdtree, an alien parasite that feeds off of death.
The reason the GO hates TTLiD is not because it "upsets the order" but because they represent a threat to the erdtrees because their "food source" is wandering around aboveground rather than being collected by warrior jars who are then smashed by erdtree avatars to feed the nascent erdtrees
Basically Marika was tired of doing the GO's bidding and panicked after Ranni TK'd and DC'd Godwin and smashed the ring
Apparently fromsoft is no longer able to make games that aren't dark souls. There is zero reason for ER world to look like zombie apocalypse populated with hollow peasants and hollow soldiers who all lost their minds, but they don't make anything else.
>So the game can happen...
>Those who live in death RIGHT FRICKING THERE
The only reason people claim it's not that is because From Software shit the bed when it came to defining enemies as undead for the aux bonus.
Only Skeletons, Death bird variation and spiritcaller snails count as undead. This is a game with enemies like Putrid Corpses, Wraiths and multiple ghosts, none of which count as undead.
So the claim that the "Hollow" soldiers aren't a result of Living in Death being wrong based on aux bonuses can't be taken as fact, because the would be claiming the zombies aren't a result of deathblight.
>From Software shit the bed when it came to defining enemies as undead
Because most of them aren't undead dumbass, they're functionally immortal because the literal concept of death is sealed away and they've been "dying" and being resurrected over and over in endless wars for centuries
>No one could die for hundreds and hundreds of years
>This is never brought up in the lore beyond justifying why the raisin men are hostile to you
>Also just ignore the fact that you can kill the demigods
They really weren't even fricking trying
You don't kill most of the demigods, the only ones that are confirmed dead are Radahn, Godrick, and Morgott, and Morgott only dies after you burn the erdtree and release the rune of death
I thought zombies were just what happens when all of those guys that can't die start putrefying or rotting.
elden ring is copy pasted assets, nothing makes sense
Unironically what is the difference between the skeletons and the zombies? What is the Deathblight then?
Just admit that From basically took a billion year old code regarding the skeletons from prior games and lazily exported it, then assigned the aux to like two other things before forgetting about it.
Deathblight comes from Godwyn's half-dead body infecting the erdtree's roots, preventing it from bringing people back to life properly. There are multiple avenues for death and rebirth in the game's world and all of them are fricked up which is why there are several different types of undeath
>Just admit that nerp nerp nerp
Shut up moron
>There are several types of undeath
There is no lore on that at all, this sounds like a cope to explain why litany of a proper death doesn't do bonus damage to Putrid Corpse.
>There is no lore on that at all
Death was governed by the deathbirds and mariners before the age of the erdtree came along and put them out of a job, which is why they're kind of just aimlessly wandering around the world surrounded by undead skeletons overflowing out of the ground. The erdtree supplanted the previous rules of death by absorbing and "recycling" people's souls so they could be reborn, but now the erdtree is fricked up too from Godwyn's corpse poisoning it at the roots, and Marika sealed away the literal metaphysical concept of death itself fricking the system up even further. Every system by which things are supposed to be able to die is broken, which is why Melina wants you to burn the erdtree and then sends you to Farum Azula to release the rune of death
>this sounds like a cope
Shut up moron
>and then sends you to Farum Azula to release the rune of death
Nah.
She sends us there because it was a separate cut content ending once but then they merged it into one endgame and hoped you wouldn't notice, which is why we are randomly teleported there. They also cut a single line from Rune of Death cutscene talking about Erdtree burning in "black flame".
In 1.0. she has a dialogue where she tells you she just wants you to burn the barbs blocking the ENTRANCE to the Erdtree as opposed to the entire tree in current game.
She directly tells you "this world is in dire need of death indiscriminate," sets the magic tree that's keeping people immortal on fire, and then teleports you to the place where the physical embodiment of the concept of death is locked away so you can set it loose again. This isn't hard to parse, anon
knowing fromsoft that's probably more a coincidence than any actual attempt at a narrative
You might be an idiot
you are an idiot if you take fromsoft lore seriously
>no you CAN'T put A B and C together you HAVE to have a goldfish brain like me
sorry I'm not moronic or schizophrenic so I don't pretend like fromsoft lore makes sense
>here's the very clear through line that makes perfect sense
>"uhhhh it's just a coincidence because I've decided fromsoft can't write anything coherent even when it makes me look like an illiterate moron"
>the lore is very clear if the walls whisper to you
yeah I'm not about that
>mash through all character dialogue, skip all cutscenes, and don't read any loredumps in item descriptions
>"wtf this game has no story who even are these people"
>implying there's meaningful character dialogue
the walls whispering "lore" to you isn't the game having lore
>ummm it's all stupid anyway so I don't even need to pay attention :^)
It's not the game's fault you're an illiterate baboon
This. So much this. How can i know story in game without 8 hour long cutscenes
two cryptic sentences is not a story
fromsoft "lore" is a joke
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FORGIVE ME
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I guess people on twitter are more intelligent than Ganker lore trannies
I'll give you an example of shitty, moronic lore and good lore from Elden Ring:
Good lore that requires work and inference:
>what the frick are the warrior jars
>why are the warrior jars full of dead people
>why are there broken warrior jars all over the place near the erdtrees
>why does every erdtree have an avatar
>oh shit, the warrior jars collect dead people then go get smashed to feed the erdtree because it's a literal eldritch parasite that feeds off of peoples souls and energy, hence the "return to the roots" and why the GO is so pissed about the existence of TTLiD
Shitty, moronic lore:
>use moronic emote near a statue, literally has to be explained via tooltip
>Marika is Radagon
>why does this matter?
>well, you see, the golden order looks for people who can be split into two different people... because uhhhh it just does. meanwhile because we split this person into two people they married each other but the male one fricked another person but then uhhhhh he went back and now he's the same person again but they're actually different
>who gives a frick, it's actually totally irrelevant
>dipshit who gets his "lore" from Vaati videos thinks he gets to decide what's good and bad
Go the frick away holy shit
>Vaati
The amount of outright lies and bullshit this homosexual peddles and people believe is ridiculous.
He's the reason so many people still parrot the "erdtree is le alien parasite" garbage
Erdtree itself is not.
But it glows gold because of the alien that is Elden Beast.
Can't stand that plagiarizing homosexual, with his fake english accent.
>>why does this matter?
Because Goldmask is looking for the answer and it helps him have an epiphany that finishes his quest
>epiphany that finishes his quest
and that epiphany's name? Albert Einstein
Yeah, the key to the secret goldmask ending is literally goldmask saying "lmao just stop giving a frick" and removing ambition from the world
your gay
>they cut content like motherfrickers
that's plain as daylight
>Melina obviously has super secret plan
>constant references to the gloam-eyed queen
>no explanation as to why she needs to get to the erdtree and burn it
>never explained, she just dies lmao
>miquella left just fricking lying inside an egg, "SGO, TAK" just tells you "idk you should probably kill miquella or just leave him alone, whatever"
>two fingers and three fingers of shabriri introduced
>obviously related and opposing
>never explained what the frick they are, where they came from, or what they want
>Yeah, the key to the secret goldmask ending is literally goldmask saying "lmao just stop giving a frick" and removing ambition from the world
You're mentally moronic and the other guy was right, you get your lore from Vaati because that's just a fricking lie vaati watching secondaries parrot
>Melina obviously has super secret plan
No she doesn't
>constant references to the gloam-eyed queen
One(1) in one(1) ending that we don't even know is a reference or not
>no explanation as to why she needs to get to the erdtree and burn it
She's Marika's daughter and Marika wants her to reach the erdtree, she doesn't know she needs to burn it until you get there and she speaks to Marika herself
>never explained, she just dies lmao
She burns herself as kindling for the flame of ruin
>She's Marika's daughter
>keeps calling Marika her mother
>says she's born from the Erdtree
>literally referenced by one of the three butterflies alongside Malenia and Miquela
>everyone just goes "WTF IS SHE???"
I swear everyone's just purposely ignoring this for some reason.
Because the only way troons can keep shrieking "IT MAKES NO SENSE IT'S A CLUSTERFRICK UNFINISHED GAME CUT CONTENT CUT CONTENT" is by deliberately ignoring things the game plainly lays out right in front of your face
>dude just dig through game files and cut content to understand the story lmao
fromdrones are something else
Everything I posted is literally in the game you goddamn troglodyte. The only "game file" in my post is the image I posted which only serves to reinforce what's already spelled out in the game.
She says it directly to you in the game you drooling moron
Elden ring is fun as frick and I've sunk countless hours into it
that said, the three endings are:
>waifuism travel into the sunset
>lmao destroy the world
>Mass Effect 3 "press Y to change color palette" endings where you sit in a chair
it's either unfinished or moronicly low-effort
it was made almost entirely during coof
so of course it's unfinished
It's From milking these Bamco bucks and scratching that open world itch they always had. Simple.
>Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless. >I was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Where mother gave me my purpose.
>There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition.
>I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs.
She literally says it in your face multiple times you mong. Also there's three obtainable butterflies in the game that references Marika's later offsprings. One references Miquella's cocooned state and the other references Malenia's eventual role as the goddess of rot. The third one references Melina's role as the kindling maiden.
the reason why nobody wants to believe that Melina is Marika's daughter is that it's a boring answer. who the frick cares if Marika is Melina's mom? it's more interesting if she's something cool like the gloam eyed queen.
could be both GEQ and sister to the twins
>then teleports you
she doesnt
she dies and disappears before she can do that
we are teleported there by game code, not by her
just admit it makes zero sense moron
Yes she does, just like she teleported us to the Roundtable Hold at the beginning of the game
>just admit
Shut up moron
Oh yeah? Then who teleports us when we burn the tree using the frenzied flame?
The Three Fingers presumably
Pretending that "Cut Content: The Character"'s anything is coherent or 'clearly in the game you're just a speedwatcher' is just fricking pathetic. The character who was with us explicitly so we'd bring her somewhere can now, after death, randomly teleport us to a place and back.
>i-it's cut content!!!
How does it not make sense to you that the character who explicitly says "THIS WORLD NEEDS TO HAVE DEATH AGAIN," who teleported us to the hub at the beginning of the game, then teleports us to the location where the literal concept of death is locked away? Are you legitimately stupid?
they admitted this is a weakness on their own part
They're not resurrected, they're literally just undying and become walking mummies over time. Marika perverted the natural lifecycle the GW created when it planted the Crucible/Erdtree. All things are meant to life and die, and break and bend in old age.
>Abandoning their birthplace after the Shattering, these undead beings are the pitiful product of unending life. They are most commonly found struggling to maintain balance while roaming the fields of The Lands Between. Surely they were in search of something once - but whatever it was has long been forgotten.
aren't alot of the enemies just normal dudes who want to kill you?
Trying to Kill the Tarnished is the Land Between's main sport.
Women have literally killed themselves and their children over bad divorce. It's 100% realistic.
men are far more likely to do that shit
Incredibly depressed and with major self esteem issues.
She’s the queen, head of the academy, and lead armies from the front lines, she should have a stronger will than this
>should
lel
chadagon was just that charming
Being left for another woman is a kidney punch many women, no matter how strong, just can't recover from.
Renalla wasn't completely mindbroken until Ranni died, she was depressed but didn't turn into the Rune of Rebirth schizo locked in the library with her creations we see in the game until Ranni "died"
women
More like "woman moment".
Marika was never insane
She disrupted the Golden Order after Godwyn
Miyazaki is incapable of writing grief that doesn't result in people becoming catatonically depressed or genocidal because he's a fricking hack.
Sieglinde
It wasn’t that, no?
That was rough but I believe the tipping point was her believing Ranni died. I can imagine losing your beloved daughter would take a toll on you as a mother.
yeah more like
>every child dead
>we are in war
>hogwarts is shit now
>and my husband left me
>my husband left me
>one of my sons is a zombie
>the other one is into vore
>my daughter killed herself
Rennala had a hard life
Can’t beat the wiener.
>implying you wouldn't do the same if your waifu left
Bet you'd kys instead of making weird slug kids all day.
Rennala is kind of a nerd.
a cute nerd
Kat from gravity rush looks different than i remember
Aren't they the same person?
marika's breasts indeed
If you could frick yourself, you would
nah
if they ever clone me im getting rid of that clone asap
That's literally why sexual reproduction exists. You're not that much different from your gf if you think a bit.
Why you taking shit from Facebook third worlder?
what are you babbling about now?
for the greater good
I'd leave Rennala for just about any girl in a heartbeat. Worst girl by far.
>ugly as frick
>weird ass proportions
>most pathetic character in the setting
>a fricking moron
I only wish I could've killed her proper.
Don't bully Ranni's moronic mom
Anon is
>ugly as frick
Blind
>weird ass proportions
And stupid
>most pathetic character in the setting
And heartless to a MILF in desperate need of protection and comfort
>a fricking moron
You're signing your posts now?
>most pathetic character in the setting
Renalla was so strong in her prime that Marika had to resort to seducing and psyoping her because she couldn't conquer Liurnia in a direct fight. This is the person who was able to genocide multiple factions backed by Outer Gods like the Fire Giants and Gloam Eyed Queen, but Renalla completely wrecked Marika in 2 separate wars
>that Marika had to resort to seducing and psyoping her because she couldn't conquer Liurnia in a direct fight.
Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal, it's ludicrous that Leyendell couldn't conquer Raya Lucaria. No, the more likely explanation is that Radagon saw the opportunity to become more powerful by joining and learning from the academy, which also gave him the opportunity to subvert it at almost no cost.
>Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal
The fact that everything in the game is perfectly killable by a random dickhead who's clearly weaker than everyone else is one of the most irreconcilable aspects of the game. All other Souls games rely on you being this grunt who has some special talent (usually, immortality) that allows them to overcome insurmountable enemies through sheer grit, but Elden Ring goes to far in building up its threats only to have them all fall to the same butthole, up to an including Gideon's A MAN CANNOT KILL A GOD followed up by a man killing said God by stabbing it a bunch of times like it was one of those random forest bears. It isn't even clear if your character is supposed to be able to revive of it's just a gameplay thing.
Sekiro was written around the same time as Elden Ring and that game made it clear Wolf was pretty damn good at his job already, so him also being able to revive makes him a match for his toughest enemies, which are almost all also just pretty good human fighters with the occasional superpower. Here the difference in power is ridiculous.
Godfrey is literally just a random dude like the PC is and he’s established as one of the strongest in the lore. The story dies establish that gigachad humans can compete with Demicucks and ayylmaos in power level
Godfrey was married to Marika and fathered her first three children, he's not just some random dude
Well he's just a human, a very strong, very tall human, but a human.
Well, so are you, Tarnished. And you're killing demi-gods.
There’s nothing special about him, he married Marika because he was the strongest but there’s no reason for his strength beyond him just being a Chad.
He has no golden lineage, no outer god bullshit, no Magic bullshit.
He was so strong that he needed to fuse with the spirit of a lion god to keep his destructive bloodlust in check, he's clearly exceptional in some way beyond just being the chad to end all chads
The golden lineage came out of his dick. Its his lineage.
>Wolf was pretty damn good at his job already, so him also being able to revive makes him a match for his toughest enemies
also Wolf is canonically unable to do literally anything meaningful until he collects the IB. without Rivers of Blood (lol), Wolf wouldn't have been able to even remotely do anything to DoH, Headless Ape, or Genichiro.
I'm assuming the Runes are supposed to be that "thing" that sets the Tarnished apart, but it's pretty meaningless when you're supposed to believe that +10 vitality makes you able to kill a god
>Wolf wouldn't have been able to even remotely do anything to DoH, Headless Ape, or Genichiro
He also wouldn't have been able to kill the revived Isshin, since he was literally reborn as an immortal undead during the final boss.
>All other Souls games rely on you being this grunt who has some special talent (usually, immortality) that allows them to overcome insurmountable enemies through sheer grit
that's the exact same situation as the Tarnished, all of them get brought back from dying. Eventually once they prove themselves major frickups they lose their ability to see grace again, which is why most of the NPCs you encounter stay dead when you kill them.
>all of them get brought back from dying
If not for the intro cinematic, there wouldn't be a single goddamn thing in the game even vaguely hinting at the Tarnished being undead. The only things in the game are "ye dead, who still live" and the shots of Gideon in his tomb and PoopoMuncher getting hanged. Then the game starts and this is never brought up again, much less any mention of how this ties up with the other type of undead that is bad, unlike your type of undead, which is good.
They did the undead protagonist thing at the start because this is Dark Souls 4, but then completely forgot about it during the rest of the game.
I'm fairly certain it's a belief/faith thing. Rodericka wasn't a frickup, she had a clear ability to see the spirit world, but she got spooked hard and lost all self esteem. BLACKGUARD BIG BOGART never had any faith at all in himself, and as such, could never see the Graces from the start. Watching your crime buddy get tied to a chair and buttraped into soulessness would also have done it to him.
My question is: EHAT THE FRICK DOES IT MEAN THAT DEATH IS SEALED??? There is absolutely nothing in the entire game that makes it seem like death being sealed has an actual effect. We don't see anything that would make us think death doesn't work.
>Stab somebody
He dies
>stab demigod
>he dies
So where the frick is the reason for sealed death? Grace is the thing that revives us and its working even after death is released. homies in the thread, just admit it doesn't make any sense
To me it feels like Destined Death was only meant to be the 'kills things super fricking hard' part of Death, not the entirety of it. You need it to burn down the entire Erdtree and the Black Flame used to be able to one shot Gods, and sealing it made it a lot harder to kill Gods/Demigods (and maybe stopped them dying from Old Age). Hence why you're still able to kill Demigods and bosses without it.
Except then woops everyone's Hollow and immortal (please ignore the fact that the worldbuilding as a whole does not take into account that everyone is immortal). Except for all those people Dung Eater murdered.
A FINE DARK SOUL TO YOU
lorelet...
After death every soul goes back to the Erdtree where it brings everyone back eventually in an endless cycle of death and rebirth. Thats why Erdtree burial is so important in the lands between. Souls were stuck in this state making everyone mad and violent af.
Destined Death is the release of that cycle, that is why everyone is so afraid of it.
>Unless Ranni's dream fight version of Renalla was an absolute joke compared to the real deal
that should be obvious, Ranni is a shell of herself in doll form and creating an illusion. Renalla's personal knights were strong enough to match Marika's champions, those being classified as people like Ragadon or Godfrey
>Weapon of knights sworn to Carian royalty.
>These knights' swords could serve as catalysts, letting them wield sorcerous battle skills. Despite numbering fewer than twenty, this power made them a match for even the champions of gold in battle.
Don’t forget that, like Horah Loux, Renalla is 100% human.
It’s fricking hilarious how two amongst some of the strongest people in the setting, are not demigods. They have zero divine power, and are just mortals who were badass enough to bang Marika.
It's almost like all gods you see in game aren't actuall gods and just powerfull morons who communicated with actuall gods
i can fix her
Would they? Marika probably spent a lot of time in that tree.
Did we all forget all at the same time that the Lands Between are Mad Max for the game of becoming Elden Lord
There is not a SINGLE Tarnished doing the slightest fricking thing towards that goal other than you. Even Gideon won't get off his ass.
Vyke ane Bernahl both tried to become elden lord, Vyke was corrupted by the Three Fingers and Bernahl forsook the throne after realizing he'd have to sacrifice his maiden
There were two that did shit before (You) arrived.
>Vyke got very close to the throne before going to the 3 fingers
>Bernahl probably got to the Forge of the Giants with his maiden to burn the Erdtree, but since she wasn't the kindling maiden, her death did nothing and his journey was paused until you came along
>Bernahl probably got to the Forge of the Giants with his maiden to burn the Erdtree
Which would have necessitated beating fricking Morgott to open the way. All these backstory nonsense attempts completely rely on assuming these guys who've right there since the Shattering inexplicably took a long weekend off blocking their paths and shit so these other random buttholes could theoretically do thing they obviously couldn't have.
See Bernahl got to the Forge because Morgott and the Fire Giant went to the Bahamas on vacation that week. Also he even got to Altus in the first place by taking the long we round either through Volcano manor or the mine cave but not killing anything because the monsters haunting these places left him along since he was such a swell guy.
Vyke got closest than anybody to being the Elden Lord by defeating two members of the Golden Lineage, Gilfroiding of the Golden Nipple, and Bob, and also got all the way to the forge because Morgott was off visiting Comicon at the time.
Solaire beat every boss in Dark Souls 1 and got all the way to Gwyn to help you fight him
Nah, he specifically moves from place to place after you clear the path for him, vyke and bernhal's backstory don't make sense because every roadblock (most notably morgott, who willingly camps in front of stormveil castle to weed out the shitters) is still in place.
>he specifically moves from place to place after you clear the path for him
He got to Anor Londo and Izalith before you, he's already sitting at the bonfires when you show up in both places and he got to the Kiln early enough to have put his summon sign down for you
IIRC he doesn't move to anal london until you rest on the first bonfire, not that there's any boss blocking the way. On izalith i don't remember if you can get to the bonfire he spawns in without killing the centipede or ass demon.
He's already sitting there before you light both bonfires
For a long time it was a popular theory that Solaire is basically another main character in an alternate world, going through the same trials and victories you are. Because different worlds and times are all coming together at the end of the age of fire, just like he says early on, the different potential worlds are coming together, mixing, allowing for the meeting of otherwise impossible cooperation. Hence why you can call other undead, other players, despite the fact that you can't ALL have gotten as strong, fought the same bosses, etc. Under that theory most of the other people you meet are all potential chosen undead who could have had X or Y adventure, and Solare's basically the only other person who could have made it all the way to the end, and even then only with the intervention of a friend from another world.
Not even a theory really, it's directly confirmed by Solaire and originally Oscar was going to be another "chosen undead" that was sort of like your Gary Oak and he'd make it to the end of the game trying to do the opposite of whatever you were trying to do
The alternate worlds thing never made sense from a worldbuilding perspective and seems at odds with the setting
It’s not elaborated upon much and seems for an in-universe way to explain multiplayer
There's 2-3 unaccounted great runes that you cannot obtain.
>Miquella's. It isn't attached to his body, as Mohg only has his own rune in his possession.
>Ranni's. It's on the moon, good luck getting that one in the dlc.
>Godwyn's? He died before the shattering, but some dumb frick probably brought a rune fragment to his corpse before losing it.
And it's only the 2 fingers that block you specifically from entering the capital, not anything else. Morgott is the one that blocks the path to the forge, but considering that one of the Haslow brothers was known to be at the mountaintop before Morgott dies, it stands to reason that there was another path there at some point.
uuuhhhh time is convoluted in the lands between
Is the game actually running off the souls concept of every tarnished being from a different time? Because it does sort of seem like that, like From really structured the story around "Yeah Vyke did beat all the demigods but then fell to Frenzied Flame in his time line so he invades your world".
>her death did nothing
where do you think all the ash in Leyendell comes from that is there prior to you also burning the tree? Berahl did the same thing but joined Rykard instead of finishing the task
>Worn by Bernahl the Recusant.
>Beasts are drawn to champions, and to lords. And this armor befits a champion worthy of becoming a lord. And that is what Bernahl was.
>Until his maiden threw herself into the fire.
Jerking off is easier
marika is sexo
Marika needs to go and stay go.
She also has disaster pussy and keeps popping out malformed morons.
>and keeps popping out malformed morons.
To be fair it kept popping out both malformeds and morons, but no malformed moron.
Explain Godwyn
Might be a fishman
Well, why isn't it mentioned anywhere then?
The whole becoming a fish thing he has going on is both a reference to some traditional japanese monster shit and a mistake because he's actually turning into a basilisk, so conjecturally it's much more likely it's just a side effect of his cancer
The Greater Will / Elden Beast / Two Fingers told him to. I think he was perfectly happy with Rennala and would have stayed if he could.
she'll make you her replacement husband
Me: "Yes, ma'am. I am not worthy of this honor. But I will do all I can to make you forget what's his name."
She's top wife material, imagine going with that buxom prostitute who goes off her rocker and destroys the world and its age of serene stability under the erdtree and golden order. What for? What the frick made her decide to shatter the ring like that? What did she even mean by this?
She's just your average woman. Bad b***h behavior
Elden Ring story and Lore is a shitty clusterfrick because they just lazily did Dark Souls world again and forgot to fill in important details that made that world cohesive and actually interesting.
Seriously, so many things lack crucial information or are even contradictory. And this is not just some obscure lore elements, but actual main fricking story. Seriously.
If you ask loregays or Vaati fanboys ANY of these questions, you will always get like 10 completely different, often contradictory answers, each delivered to you with 100% certainty and telling you to git gud because you didn't get Miyazaki's brilliant storytelling made from reading shitty random item descriptions:
>Why did Marika shatter the Elden Ring?
>What is Destined Death/Rune of Death? How are they different? If death went wrong and no one dies, how do we kill fellow Tarnished, Demigods, bosses etc.
>Who was Torrent's former master and why Torrent chose us?
>Who is Melina, why she disappears for 90% of the game explaining frick all about anything and then appears again to kill herself, again, with no explanation?
>Why are we teleported to Farum Azula out of blue? Why we need Rune of Death? Why and how are we teleported back to Leyndell?
I won't even mention shit like bad worldbuilding. Apparently Lands Between is a home to countless mines, caves, dungeons, catacombs but no cities (only one), villages, fields to make food or even fricking ports for ships to arrive.
This is more than just typical Dark Souls ambigous storytelling. This is a clearly rushed and rewritten game. Not to mention there was ZERO reason to be obscure. DaS was obscure because it was the theme of the game and it's story. Demon Souls was straightforward, so was Bloodborne and ESPECIALLY Sekiro, so WHY Elden Ring isn't? When it's clearly based on worldbuilding by GRRM with way more epic, heroic fantasy with politics, families, dynasties playing IMPORTANT role?
It's such a fricking mess.
Most important part though, is that we aren't meant to CARE at all about Lands Between.
>Other lands seem to be doing alright aside from Reeds.
>We are dropped randomly and expected to just go into the world and kill shit for no reason.
>Only later we are taken to Roundtable and told about restoring Elden Ring and becoming an Elden Lord but WHY would i want to do that? Grace casted me away in the first place so maybe i don't want to listen to it anymore? And before you say "you do whatever you want" then there is no point for the story to exist in the first place.
What happens if we just frick off? We don't know. Like, actually do not know. Every answer is just headcanon like "world/physics/laws will frick up" but nothing actually confirms that. EVERY other From game gave us a reason to do shit:
>DeS
Demon's will frick up humanity if we don't do something.
>DaS
Age of Fire is ending and Age of Dark is coming. Also Oscar saves you at the start and tells you about prophecy, making you indebted to him.
>Sekiro
You are shinobi serving a young lord. You help him because he saved your life, because he is an innocent and because your adoptive father told you to.
>BB
You are trapped in a nightmare and have to survive.
But NOTHING in ER motivates us to do fricking ANYTHING. It's like they forgot to do the most basic of basics because they were too trapped in copying shit redditors want from a Souls game like shonen anime bosses/Artorias on crack, item descriptions and other garbage.
Okay, but what's your tax policy?
Souls
>neo-Berserk
>Drive for life empowers humans, there doesn't need to be an explanation
>People prevail and endure despite the overwhelming odds that they're at the mercy of things far beyond their control and the universe destroys everything in cycles of cleansing
>attempting to secure the power of the gods unwittingly enslaves you and disrupts the balance of everything
Bloodborne
>People seek out esoteric methods to understand the universe and gain its power, unwittingly staring into the abyss which stares into them
>what we may consider gods may just as easily be interstellar refuse that washes up on our shores, far beyond understanding
>insight into the machinations of the universe begets only madness
Sekiro
>synthesis of some of the best works of fiction
>heavily inspired by Blade of the Immortal's story, where immortality upsets the balance of the universe and is actually a burden
>hesitation means death
>nearly every enemy has either been tainted and perverted by immortality or tainted by the desire to obtain immortality
>you must heal the world by accepting mortality and returning a power humanity was not meant to have
Elden Rangs
>lmao demigods fricking each other
>have to clean up the result of a bunch of buttholes squabbling over family shit
>entire purpose is just because some b***h was upset about an alien tree giving her unlimited power
>thanks for accepting my quest, now wait for the story to progress then return to an area you already cleared at this specific time so you can give me a bag of rocks or whatever and I'll die
>unironically the best endings are either waifuism or "press X to destroy the world" because every other ending is just a ME3-style "choose your color grade" ending
what went so wrong?
bloodborne's lore is a rushed piece of shit.
>but it's SUPPOSED to not make sense bro... lovecraft......
the fricking of cope.
>the old blood drives you crazy and turns you into a monster
>shit gets really bad every full moon (because werewolves, later you learn that the moon is an alien who descends every couple years to find a successor)
>every citizen drinks it like if it were water, both because they find it tasty and because it can heal wounds and illnesses
>also, the church technically shoves it down your throat, so you literally can't help but drink it
>you are john bloodborne, who went to yharnam for said cure
>you get to experience everything first hand
>you also get roped into the alien shit by a crippled old man who NAKADASHIs a living doll
>slowly you learn that the old blood doesn't turn you into a werewolf, but an alien
>it was aliens all along, and they came from underground
It's actually pretty straight forward, everyone but oedon is elaborated upon in the game itself.
>Blonde hair
>Big breasts
>Big ass
Why did SHE do it?
You have to be specific, anon. She's done so many things...
>Killed Godwyn
He was a glowing shill for the Golden Order. He was in the way and needed to die for the next part two parts to happen
>Killed herself
The main reason is that letting her body die helps her escape her intended destiny. As a bonus, she now also gets to pretend that she’s Renna (avoiding the consequences of her previous identity), and it turns out that dolls are actually pretty hard to kill.
>Started the Shattering
Basically every single person who opposed her went off and murdered each other. Furthermore, the war absolutely trashed the strength/stability of the Golden Order (her main enemy). The resulting chaos of the Shattering gave her room to set her plans in motion which would have otherwise been impossible.
>Marry’s the tarnished
You’re her little rare-sort
>All of the above
Ranni, just like Marika, fricking seethes over the fact that God exists, and tries to tell her what to do. She is an advocate of free will, although it’s apparent that there’s no lengths she won’t go to, with zero concern for the amount of misery and suffering that will result from her actions.
So tl;dr she’s a psycho who had a woman moment, and then girlboss’d her way to victory. The bright side is that despite all of this, she seems to genuinely have some feelings for you.
>She is an advocate of free will, although it’s apparent that there’s no lengths she won’t go to
She follows the Dark Moon, an unknown entity of space whose moon eye thing kind of resembles the Astel's center eye.
Correct, but from what we can tell, it’s not actually telling her what to do.
She connects with some weird space entity that is helping her, but it’s not controlling her
I don't buy that the Dark Moon is an Outer God. I think it's more of a symbolic thing that indicates the overall lack of God influence.
>anime and meme artist from twitter that tried to pretend to be a white girl when HE was a fat mexican
QRD?
The artist of OP's art is called Tina Fate and he's one of those guys that draws nothing but flavor of the month anime girls doing memes for upvotes on twitter. If I remember correctly he pretended to be a girl until he was doxxed.
Just like my favourite mangaka Fujimoto!
How good was Radagon wiener that Rennala immediately became mind broken when she lost it?
I would think that was obvious, anon. The question is its own answer.
She's a alpha widow who got dumped for a hourglass big breasts big ass 10/10 blonde goddess and knows that everything after Radagon will be a downgrade of the highest level so she accepts her fate and goes full depressed female volcel.
Blondly white girls are goddesses.
>thou seek rebirth?
I didn't find Rennala attractive, but you just know she probably had some fat breasts and thighs. It's just her face is kind of uggo, not sure how old she is, but she looked easily in her 40's. I guess if you're into MILF's.
>there is cut dialogue of Godfrey talking to Marika that he wants to hug her again
so was he a simp or did they really love each other?
more like log cutter
as in my butthole
Source
Because he was a truly devout tried and true Faithbro. He only married Rennala to win the Carians over to the Golden Order, even refurbished his wedding sword into a Golden Order one. He only merged (back) with Marika because he genuinely believes in the Golden Order's cause, even if it meant overriding Marika for her woman moment.
People who think he genuinely loved Rennala are coping Rennalagays. Fanartists who draw Marika/Radagon still pining for Rennala are the same. Radagon only ever cared about one thing, and that's his faith in the Greater Will over everything else.
He wasn't a true faithbro. He was a b***h that was forever mad about being a ginger.
Because being ginger meant you are tied to the giants. He's basically Loki/Thor rolled into one.
>forever mad about being a ginger
Why else do you think he was overcompensating by taking over the GO and Marika?
>forever mad about being a ginger.
as he should be gingers caused most of the serious problems in the game
I too would frick me(female) if I happened to look like that.
>two of his kids are the product of selfsect
It's her/she
Radagon just used Rennala for his/Marika's gain, I don't believe he ever truly loved her, and just wanted to gain power/information from Raya Lucaria and the Carian family.
Radagon was a dog of the Golden Order, it's why he went out of his way to try and repair the Elden Ring, Marika wanted nothing to do with the Golden Order anymore, so in a way she had betrayed the Greater Will, Radagon was punished by association even though he still served the Greater Will and wanted the Elden Ring repaired.
We really know nothing about Radagon's origin though, as others have said, Marika probably just created Radagon or willed him into existence, maybe the Greater Will did it? Either way he was clearly just a servant of the Greater Will/Golden Order.
>I don't believe he ever truly loved her
He gave her the Great Rune of the Unborn (rebirth).
And it's why she's moronic. He was playing the long game.
She's moronic because she took the break up too hard.
>We really know nothing about Radagon's origin though, as others have said, Marika probably just created Radagon or willed him into existence, maybe the Greater Will did it?
It seems to be more likely that he was brought into existence out of sheer cognitive dissonance. Marika is the golden goddess and incarnate avatar of the erdtree, but she hates the erd tree and the elden ring? It makes no sense, and she knows it doesn't. Radagon rectifies exists not only to calcify order before it can decay further, but to bring logic to Marika's existence.
It would make more sense if the Greater Will created Radagon to keep Marika on a leash, or as a backup plan if Marika didn't work out. We know nothing about the Greater Will except that it's a god-like entity but it has no form or history that we know of, it wouldn't be out of the question that the Greater Will can just literally DO anything, of course it apparently couldn't stop us from slaying the Elden Beast and dismantling the Golden Order.
The Greater Will doesn't like to micromanage, despite what the homosexual fingers pretend. If anyone interfered, it was probably the Elden Beast itself, its influence growing inside of her as she continued to hate and scheme against it.
>up to an including Gideon's A MAN CANNOT KILL A GOD
The point of that speech is that Gideon is an idiot and a salty loser who was trying to rationalize some newbie being the grace given chosen champion and not him.
Ranni can just fricking kill you in one hit without being able to do anything. I find it hard to believe that she couldn't have made dream Renalla tougher if she wanted to. The more likely explanation is that this is just how strong she actually was, which makes sense, she was ultimately only human.
Anybody pretending anything relating to Melina isn't grievously unfinished is such a hopeless coping fanboy that there's no point in even addressing them. Just laugh at them.
>grievously unfinished
There's nothing implying that Melina had a bigger role. She's just the waifu of choice for the Frenzied Flame route. No more no less.
The fact that her backstory makes no sense and is also totally contradictory is a byproduct of tons of shit being cut from the final product.
> Effortlessly mogs every single demicuck
Feels good being a Tarnishedchad
>just now realize Godfrey's axe used to be double sided and one side has broken off from too many chad moments in the badlands
It's the little things.
>ITT : we pretend Elden ring had a story
I love this meme!
The turtle pope basically lore dumps this one to you. Even moronic normies know Radagon left Rennala for Marika.
>paying attention to the flavor dialogues
Nerd.
Manga/PS1 Motoko is never coming back.
>why yes, I have tiktok zoomer level attention span, how could you tell?
What's the origin of portraying Marika as an amazonic bombshell?
So that she can get creampied by Godfrey and then herself to make god babies
When people actually looked at her model though it's obviously been exaggerated over time.
Radagon is Ganker, she is Radagon, etc.
Radagon and Marika are easily the weakest part of the game's lore. There's simply too big of a chunk completely left out.
I can agree with that. We're talking 1,000 years of in-game history at the absolute least and Marika's life is a gigantic black hole. We barely know anything about Radagon, so it's not even worth theorizing when he "manifested" or whether he was a normal guy that fused with her.
Why do they look all Hades'd up here?
so these two were made through weird self replication or something?
i like her scars being covered by gold. that's a neat design change.
It also doesn't contradict lore since you can just imagine the rot pushing them out over time as she deteriorated.
>design change
it's canon in her actual game model. She has gold sewn into her remaining arm and fingers to save them from the rot, you can see her fingers are almost completely healthy because of it
Oh yeah! I forgot about that. It's so tarnished and dirty. I thought it was smudges.
They're basically gendered opposites of Marika and Radagon (the blonde boy is more feminine, red-haired girl is more masculine).
Yes.
Yeah, that's why they're both so powerful. They're near perfect copies of the only actual god in the setting. If Malenia wasn't cursed with the rot she'd be invincible.
Malenia literally becomes god (of rot) and still killed by a man with stick
Miquella got assfricked by his moronic omen brother
>They're near perfect copies of the only actual god in the setting
when will morons learn "god" and "demigod" mean nothing and are just titles? Marika was just a literal who Numen with potential when she was chosen, Two Fingers just look for people with potential to select
manshoulders ruin it
>realize this game has side quest
>what the frick am I doing
>return to murderhoboing and looting their gear
I just entered the academy and realized I just broke in, murdered the guard dog and now gonna whack a hag to loot her stick that I can't use since I'm a Intlet and Arclet
>I just entered the academy and realized I just broke in, murdered the guard dog and now gonna whack a hag to loot her stick
yeah because god told you to
> Is the only boss to show the player respect
> Doesn’t have any moronic schizo lore surrounding him
> Has a based Tomboy chadess for a daughter instead of scheming demishits
> Mogs every other boss in power level
What went so right with him?
>daughter
I would say grand grand grand...granddaughter
I liked the part where he reveals his other name and it has precisely zero fricking impact because it hasn't come up again since the intro cinematic.
*erection in my pants while I hold a megaphone up* HOARAH LOUX CHIEFTAIN OF THE BADLANDS
that was kinda lame but on second thought it is indeed a cool reveal. It's also ironic that gideon dies claiming no tarnished can become lord... only for Godfrey to be a fightgay tarnished.
it's probably to show you that indeed, you can become the next elden lord
>It's also ironic that gideon dies claiming no tarnished can become lord... only for Godfrey to be a fightgay tarnished.
>it's probably to show you that indeed, you can become the next elden lord
I never really thought about that but you're right
He’s mentioned in the Champion set item description
You're telling me Godfrey could solo Radahn or Melania? Kek, I'm not so sure about that. Godfrey was incredibly overhyped for a simple warrior class barbarian with no special powers or abilities.
Radhan literally looked up to Godfrey out of admiration. So yes.
Godfrey slayed all of the Golden Order's enemies and then came back stronger to brandish the Elden Ring, so probably. The demigods are trifling things
>a simple warrior class barbarian with no special pow- ACK
>gets thrown twenty feet in the air and slamdunked
>Is the only boss to show the player respect
Rykard, Maliketh, Mohg
>Maliketh
He calls you a dumbass though.
what went wrong that I don't even remember this fight? fromsoft and ending a game. boss after boss after boss with no real lore, no real other content... yeah, after Crumbling Azula the game pretty much dies.
Not even going to go into the actual ending "cinematics".
disclaimer: Elden Ring is my favorite game ever and I started gaming in 90s. It's just that the ending is very very shit compared to the rest of the game.
For me it was Godfrey's own grace pointing towards the player in the cutscene as his next objective
I thought godfrey didn't have grace
He's tarnished like you, grace was given back to him along with all the other tarnished
why was grace given back to him
also doesn't that mean he's been afk for 5000 years doing nothing despite his grace working
Because Marika gave it back to all the tarnished to call them back to the Lands Between in hopes that one of them would be strong enough to kill the Elden Beast
so godfrey's grace has been working this whole time, given to him by his girlfriend, and he's been afk for 5000 years until the day you showed up instead of saving his girlfriend?
He was dead, everyone mentioned in the opening cutscene is tarnished and were dead for an indeterminate amount of time until Marika gave grace back to them which brought them back to life. The intro shows him dead and strung up on a tree
so he revived at the same time as you or earlier, went afk until you beat the game, then showed up and tried to kill you for trying to save his girlfriend, something he should want to happen?
He wanted to become elden lord too, thats why you fight him.
so why didn't he become elden lore while you were in farum azula
He got lost
did you even play the game? the thorns were blocking the way until you killed maliketh, and even if they werent what does that accomplish if you would just fight him as elden lord
So that means godfrey, this supposedly infinitely honorable warrior saw the thorns and said "frick it, I bet a human will open it for me, then when he opens it I'll try to kill him"
maybe he was revived only after you started burning the erdtree
so the guy wakes up, sees the door opened and then waited to try and kill the guy that opened it instead of going in an saving his girlfriend, the whole reason he was revived
yeah
that's probably what a honorable warrior king would do
or at least a caricature of one
He's holding his son's body when you find him moron, he was mourning him so of course he didn't just toss him aside and sprint for the tree
So you're saying the motherfricker literally arrived as soon as you were about to go in? What the frick has he been doing the whole game? Shitting?
Frick if I know, but he makes it sound like he just got there
The intro cutscene implies that he was revived before you as Horah Loux. His journey probably involved him getting Sarosh to get on his back again, only for him to tear him in half.
Until the Endtree started burning, there was no way in. The Endtree burning was visible all over the Lands Between. When Godfrey saw that, then he knew it was time to go home.
Finishing Farum Azula and unsealing Destined Death is what opens up the Erdtree anon. He basically waited for you to arrive to decide who gets to go in.
so why didn't he do it himself
it's HIS motherfricking girlfriend in there
Burning the Erdtree and unsealing Death was only possible due to Melina an heroing herself. Also Godfrey was maidenless.
To be fair, Melina went out of her way for (You) when she didn't have to.
>Godfrey was maidenless.
Also why was morgott guarding a door that nobody could open?
>that nobody could open?
No one else knew that besides him.
It's heavily inferred he had justarrived there late considering he was mourning Morgott who was guarding the Erdtree the whole time.
This. I imagine that the reason why he wouldn't even storm the capital is because he probably knew Morgott and co. are still defending it, else he'd have to face his own children.
The mantle of thorns prevented anyone from entering the erdtree, no one could get in until you burned it and he's presumably just showed up when you meet him and is preoccupied with his son's corpse
He was figuring out how to noclip past Gideon, it took some time.
He says he's returned to have an audience with her, and fights you to decide which of you is worthy of becoming her consort. He's a warrior lord after all
>tarnished warrior, thy strength befits a crown
you'd think somebody with such a strong honor system they'd beat the game themselves to save their girlfriend that revived them long before a scrawny human showed up to do it themselves
He's maidenless so he couldn't have burned the tree himself
right one of the strongest beings in the world is maidenless, but some scrawny beef jerky human isn't.... because a horse liked him
Finger maidens are in short supply, you can't just grab some random woman and chuck her into the kiln
right finger maidens would obviously not be attracted to the strongest tarnished in the world, they'd go after a beef jerkey human
Anon. There is ONE Kindling Maiden in the world. Only she and Frenzied Flame can burn the Erdtree. Was she accompanying Godfrey? Or you, the Tarnished?
Yeah actually I never really thought about that but Bernahl tried to burn the tree with his maiden and it didn't work, it seems like only Melina and the pissfire can do it
>for trying to save his girlfriend
Considering how you're both trying to be Elden Lord in most endings, you're basically stealing his role and gf.
he was killed
Remember that part where you meet Kenneth and he acts like it would be reasonable for someone not-Tarnished to come along and save him like there's still something resembling a functional society instead of the entirety of the Lands Between being a barren monster, infested shithole? I thought his deal would turn out to be that he was insane or delusional, but nope, just completely disjointed worldbuilding.
Remember when you, a mortal, come to Malenia, Mohg, Renalla (literally gods) and they all just want to fricking kill you just because why not
It's like it's a video game or something
The fact that you can't just fricking tell malenia that you found Miquella is just so, so obviously the result of chopped content that it's not even funny. Especially since cut lines make it clear there was a whole plan for a plot there.
I like the part where Ranni never acknowledges the fact that I went to smack her moronic mom even if I'm carrying her Rune with me, and also Melina says absolutely fricking nothing for like 60 hours of gameplay even though she's supposed to be right there with me at all times, including when I'm hanging out with Doll Ranni.
Or the bit where I joined the Volcano Manor to rebel against the fate that nobody was doing anything to force me against and Gideon never seems to find out I'm butchering his buddies but it's okay because it's all dudes that you never once meet outside of said missions.
Or the bit where you freed Shit Eater for absolutely no reason your character could've been aware of at the time other than this being the only way to interact with him that isn't just killing him so frick it, you press the button.
I mean he IS completely delusional, it's just that no one thought it was necessary to put anything in the script that details that it's actually a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously
>oh yeah now that the world has ended and the balance of every element in the universe is askew, what I really need right now is some rando who will come sit in my fricking decrepit castle filled with monkeys
>Miquella got assfricked by his moronic omen brother
>be in contact with eldritch god of tainted blood that gives you insane powers on top of demigod status
>get killed by me, a random dude that accidentally into your underground palace somersaulting around, smacking you with a stick
>that details that it's actually a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously
I thought that was when you realized what the demi-humans actually were when you come back to his castle.
>Malenia (god tier swordsman who fricked pride Radahn) challenges you, a man with a stick to fight as soon as he sees you
>Uses power of rot and literally becomes a goddes mid fight
>Attacks you with flowers, that can nuke whole continent with rot, multiple times
>Still loses
To be fair, you're always just slightly out of time to see some last vestige of a functioning civilization. Like Castle Mourne was a functioning place until very recently.
>But the soldiers all all pasty
Those guys might be fricked up but they're still functional people. If they had shouted repetitive lines like the Huntsmens in BB you'd be clapping and saying "great world building".
Which reminds me, Albinauric males actually do have speaking lines like "No no" and "Get away from me".
Maleniasissies it's over... Radahn won...
What the frick is wrong with Maleniagays to vote for the worst From Software boss as the best in Elden Ring?
>Maleniagays
You answered your own question.
Malenia is the best boss that Fromsoft has made. There are so many viable ways to deal with her. It just filters people who spam dodge button instead of trying to come up with a strategy.
Reminder that Elden Ring was designed to have a bunch of cool looking shit first and story second. It's like if you went on deviantart and pulled the 20 best fantasy artworks and then tried to come up with a story to pull them all together.
unironically the involvement of GRRM ruined it
introducing "royal family squabbles and backstabbing" into the story didn't make that mundane shit interesting, it just made the rest of the story feel mundane.
unironically it would have been more interesting to chase the Rune of Death and have that function like the Immortal Blade, where you can actually perma-kill shit
It impacts the story because the Erdtree and GO sustain themselves by feeding off of the energy of making humanity constantly wage war, reviving them, and keeping the cycle of war going. By using the RoD, you upset the GO's cycle by perma-killing the people who were supposed to be feeding it energy via warfare. No need to introduce "well see the queen was upset because her consort fricked another girl and then they all got upset."
deepest lore is that you were somebody that was banished by Marika from the Lands Between (the interstice) as a 500IQ move to give her footsoldiers when she confused the GO by shattering the elden ring
>no you don't understand, if you go back to the Sacred Forest and use the "Scratching Balls" gesture at exactly 3:00 AM in front of the second from the left statue AFTER killing Zanzibart but BEFORE killing the Myrmidon of Loss, you'll get the "Mound of Exalted Earwigs Chalice" that you can take to the Roundtable Hold and Zarnubius will tell you that he's paraplegic now
>Scarlet Rot can drive you insane and basically is hyper-leprosy that turns you into a husk doomed to wander Caelid for eternity
>get scarlet rot
>oops my HP is going down
>eat a literal random fungus you found on the ground
>ok im cool now
>I'm literally, not figurately, moronic
You could have just said so, anon
Rot can drive you insane and basically is hyper-leprosy that turns you into a husk doomed to wander Caelid for eternity
>>get scarlet rot
>>oops my HP is going down
>>eat a literal random fungus you found on the ground
>>ok im cool now
The player tarnished is special and sees the guidance of grace when all or at least most of the others have lost sight of it. Rogier gets blighted once and fricking dies, but we can walk it off. Same deal with scarlet rot
GRRM's involvement is literally why the game is still being talked about. This whole thread literally exists because of people discussing why Rennala's husband left her for his chick half.
> unironically the involvement of GRRM ruined it
introducing "royal family squabbles and backstabbing" into the story didn't make that mundane shit interesting, it just made the rest of the story feel mundane.
The royal family squabbling is literally the only part of the story people still give a shit about lmao. The rest of the lore is just a bunch of vague underdeveloped concepts that conflict with each other.
>It's like if you went on deviantart and pulled the 20 best fantasy artworks and then tried to come up with a story to pull them all together.
/tg/ does this regularly and with far more skill than Elden Stink
Maybe if Rennala took her clown hat off, she would look more attractive
Imagine paying a girl to cosplay as Marika or 2B then take a shit on your chest.
So why did Godfrey and the rest of the tarnished get their grace taken away? When they left did they have some weird tarnished only society?
>When they left did they have some weird tarnished only society
Yes. That's where the "Warrior" class is from and where Godfrey and Nepheli hail from.
>A twinblade wielding warrior from a nomadic tribe.
Grace would have killed them. Removing it saved them and granted them a will of their own.
Godfrey was a hero of old who completed his mission; the immediate next step for the guidance of gold was to just go and die and be eaten by the Erdtree.
imagine needing to read 500 forum posts to understand a game's story and then thinking that game was good
Radagon would make for a good protagonist in a theoretical narrative driven side-stpry.
>In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self.
What did she mean by this?
That Radagon was his own being but eventually fused with Marika. Its pretty obvious.
Marika isn't a real being, she's a mimic tear
Marika is talking to her schizo alternate personality as they fight over control of her body.
That's not a wrong way to interpret it either.
"Oh Radagon, you blind frickin idiot. You're good but you ain't no Marika, you ain't no god. I'll go down but we are going down together"
>Marika already crumbling
coomer meme homosexual literally didn't even play the game
Why don't the Tarnished just leave the Land Between? The Land of Reeds can't be that far and it doesn't have Black personmen pulling strings behind the scene.
There's shipwrecks all around Lands between
Yes and? Just build more boats. There's still plenty of lumber remaining.
They literally did leave the Lands Between, following Godfrey. At least that's what the orginal batch of Tarnished did.
Everyone who became Tarnished after that is the bunch of idiots chosen by the Greater Will.
Is it so hard to believe that Radagon and Marika were separate people but basically shared the same "soul" or being the same "person" in a cosmic sense making up one half of a whole?
A lot of Japanese media have done that shit both old and new, from Nier's Devola and Popola up to modern anime like Jujutsu Kaisen. It's really nothing new for them.
no clue OP, i don't know why TINAFATE CATFISHED A LESBIAN MINOR
Fanboys cope about how the game is totally not horrendously unfinished because they can written ten paragraphs of 99% made-up horseshit to explain all the holes in the plot, but the fact remains that the most popular ending route remains Ranni's, which is coincidentally the only one that seems to involve characters with narrative and shit, and rave all about Radhan, whose lore is all completely explicit and most of which is presented in one of those straightforward cutscenes with narration they claim the game is higher-brow for eschewing.
The reason Ranni has a bunch of dialogue and shit and you'd be forgiven for forgetting Melina exists despite having the obvious closed eye symmetry that's never explained is simple: they cut content like motherfrickers. Same reason the gate to Mohg's palace was in Milenia's backyard and that after you kill Mohg supposedly to get to Miquella, the plotline just ends and you don't even get his Rune from his corpse, if he's even dead at all, and also you never mention any of this to Malenia, who also fights you because randomly trying to murder you specifically is the only thing everyone in this continent seems to agree on.
>Same reason the gate to Mohg's palace was in Milenia's backyard
Mohg used it to kidnap Miquella from the Haligtree, doofus
How fricking convenient that nobody ever noticed that, right?
The tiny little portal arch hidden away in a corner of the secret pathway to a tree that hardly anyone even knew existed? Yeah crazy that no one stumbled across it I know
> but the fact remains that the most popular ending route remains Ranni's, which is coincidentally the only one that seems to involve characters with narrative and shit,
It’s also coincidently the one where you get to become consort to a cute girl. I somehow thinks that may have more to do with it…
>I somehow thinks that may have more to do with it…
Anon is delusional. Allowing you to actually marry Ranni is definitively the main reason why it's picked so many times. I still remember when other waifugays kept trying to justify their choices in pursuing the other girls whether or not they liked their respective questlines.
Hell, most Melinagays have switched to the Frenzied Flame ending because it turns her into a yandere that will forever chase you to the ends of the earth.
I did the Frenzied Flame because I honestly believe this world deserves to die.
And the cool visuals.
I mean that's fair, but you'd be surprised how many Melinagays switched over to the Frenzied Flame ending over time because it gave her more content and personality in trying to stop you and because you end up saving her from killing herself.
Ranni being From's most explicit waifu to date certainly helps things, but I think it matters a lot that she has the only major questline where you constantly visit locations, talk to characters and develop a bond with both them and her before it's over. I think it's one of the reasons people love her but nobody gives a rat frick about Anri from DS3 despite you marrying her too, her questline seems like the only one where From allowed themselves to stop being so beholden to their paltry, piecemeal quest structure and actually let you fricking talk to someone and learn who they are and what they want
If Sekiro is any indication, it's probably far less of a design choice than just the fact that the game was clearly rushed as hell. ER feels like they did all the locations and scenery first, and then had to scrape together the actual present-time events while racing the deadlines.
Miquella stinks of this
you kill Mohg, who says unequivocally that Miquella is sleeping and metamorphosing
then you just leave him there
and Gideon leaves you with "idk, we should probably do something about him, maybe kill him? or uhhhhh just leave him
and the game ends, with Miquella just sitting underground in a spider egg with his hand hanging out
He's probably going to be the focus of the dlc, he's by far the most interesting demigod and he's the one we know the least about aside from maybe Godwyn
I hope so. I want his fricking twinblades. Both of them.
miquella is obvious dlc bait
I'm guessing miquella's cocoon will be the entry point of the dlc. Some kind of dream/time/memory thing again, as fromsoftware loves to do.
I like how Gideon's message when you report Malenia's death assumes you haven't found Miquella yet, but it's way easier to get to and kill Mohg first.
He's obviously meant to be the focus of a DLC, but whether that's because they ran out of time to do anything else or if that was always the plan is hard to say. It's wishful thinking but I hope the DLC answers a lot of questions the base game poses instead of going off on some bizarre new tangent that also doesn't get explored thoroughly
Yup, lore trannies trying to pass off nothing as deepest lore
Marika is good trans representation. Thank you japan
By good, as in it's an impossible standard that portrays a chad and a bombshell of a god/goddess instead of an ugly troon, then yeah. Thank you Japan.
>manipulative, backstabbing piece of shit that lords over people and ends up completely undermining and destroying her own society in her blind rage and hubris
You're right
>two lgbt characters
>one goes totally nuts and causes the event that moves the game
>the other is a literal underground-dwelling pervert that somehow commits both pedophilia and incest because he believes that fricking his kid brother will make him a queen
Hey hey hey, there are three. Marika the schizo troony, Mohg the boywife connoisseur, and the coprophile who wants to rape spirituality itself.
>and the coprophile who wants to rape spirituality itself
at least dung eater has a similar explanation to the reason why the Headless reaches into your literal butthole in Sekiro
You know how they set up the thing with the Frenzied Flame people possessing corpses like Shabriri possessing Yura and Hyetta having the exact same model and voice as that chick that dies in Limgrave? But then they did frick-all with the idea with Hyetta and just left that girl's corpse where it was so they're just perfect dopplegangers for no reason?
Also remember how Pebbles got a random addition to his quest line where he shows up in a place he has no fricking connection to and gives you a thing to return to Tanith, but just says "I do not need that thing" and that was the end to the quest, and then later they did another addition to his quest that is definitely not them just scraping whatever that was supposed to lend to and instead reusing all the code and locations from the beginning of his quest to just call it quits?
I don't get why anybody says this game is unfinished.
Who's Pebbles
*Patches. I have no idea why I wrote Pebbles.
They should have removed Irina's corpse and I'm sure that was an oversight, but it the concept wasn't "for no reason" and they did do something important with it: establish that Shabriri is a fricking liar.
>"TARNISHED, WHY DO YOU SEEK THE RUNE OF DEATH?"
I dunno mang, this chick who lit herself on fire vaguely hinted at it being necessary before dying and also I just showed up here outta nowhere and had no fricking clue that you had it. Frankly, if you had just been like "sup,dude, wat up?" I wouldn't have had the foggiest fricking reason we needed to fight at all.
You need to unseal the rune of death because the erdtree is unharmed by the flames of ruin until you do.
"Also, how do I get down from here? And how did you get here to begin with? You're supposed to be the same as Blaidd and he can't teleport wherever he wants either."
>vaguely hinted at it being necessary
>"This world is in dire need of death" is vague
I got here by burning myself though?
Just because too many people are moronic for the existing lore, it doesn't mean the game isn't unfinished. 2 things can be true at the same thing.
The only unfinished parts are a handful of sidequests that don't have anything to do with the main plot like Tanith, and people keep acting like that means the entire plot of the game is an unfinished mess when it's by far the most complete and clear-cut of any of these games
>people keep acting like that means the entire plot of the game is an unfinished mess when it's by far the most complete and clear-cut of any of these games
are you fricking kidding me?
Bloodborne:
>solid resolution where it's revealed that in fact the moon presence was controlling everything and the reason the Hunter's Dream exists is because a bunch of quack scientists started transfusing people with eldritch god blood, thus allowing them to see a bizarro realm inhabited by eldritch abominations
Sekiro:
>Dragons heritage came from the west, once you uncover all of the necessary steps to access the divine realm, you can learn that you actually have a way to return the dragon's heritage where it came from and balance the forces of life and death again. The Mortal Blades were created as a way to sever immortality should DH ever fall into the hands of someone unprepared to deal with it, but had to be wielded by someone who was immortal so that those unaware of its power could never use it.
I'll give you Dark Souls since between 2 and 3 it stopped making sense to anyone that wasn't obsessively searching out lore
I wasn't including Sekiro because it's different enough from the rest of them that I don't really consider it part of the "series," but acting like Bloodborne doesn't have tons of cryptic unexplained or poorly explained shit in it is just disingenuous
Radagon isn't even real, he's a shizo manifestation Marika was cursed with after fighting the fire giants. That's why he has the red hair, mark of the fire giants, that both he and Marika despise. Marika is the "main personality". He's basically Doppio from Jojo.
How long does it take them to make a fricking DLC anyway
We're approaching the anniversary of the original launch date before the delay to March and still have basically nothing to go off of besides datamined files that suggest a DLC is in the making
Took them one year for Artorias of the Abyss, and that's when they didn't really want to make a DLC.
Why is Ranni sitting on a CRX?
Melina offers you an accord
Ranni offers you a CRX
Choose wisely, tarnished
i choose huglady
2025
The obvious difference between the game just very plainly laying some things out for you in cinematic and dialogues while leaving extremely important stuff (including just giving supposedly major characters any screentime) to be, ehem, "gleamed" from choppy bits of scattered shit is probably the most hilarious example of why deep lore fanboys claiming these are deliberate design choices are delusional.
One of my favorite examples if how the singing vulture enemy things actually have coherent lyrics and all. Then a pivotal lore fact relating to the central figure of the setting is delivered via a fricking tooltip located several meters away from the completely useless statue that supposedly held the actual secret. Acting like this was anything but the devs hurriedly stringing together whatever they could at the last minute and that they totally meant it to be like this from the start is just the highest of cope.
Most quests were literally unfinished on release for fricks' sake. Not broken or bugged, the fricking content wasn't even in the game. For months there were these obviously conspicuous, closed structures and that ghost lamenting why the gates wouldn't open for him, and the answer to that mystery ended up being "this was the cut coliseum content we couldn't get ready for release."
>Then a pivotal lore fact relating to the central figure of the setting is delivered via a fricking tooltip located several meters away from the completely useless statue that supposedly held the actual secret.
Turtle Pope tells you that the statue of Radagon in Leyndell harbors a secret, and when you find Corhyn and Goldmask in Leyndell Corhyn tells you that Goldmask's autism discovered Radagon's name in whatever he's doing and it brought him to a standstill. It's not just random happenstance or impossible to figure out
What a shock, a fanboy that likes to claim people don't pay attention can't even read plain English.
What a shock, a pearl clutching discord troon is making mountains out of molehills to frame the entire game as directionless gobbeldyasiatic
Cope harder, your head still so far up your arse you can't even read properly.
I can read just fine, you're just spouting bullshit so most of it isn't worth addressing
Just because you can't make sense of it, doesn't mean it's unfinished. That's just poor literacy on your part.
>Turtle Pope tells you that the statue of Radagon in Leyndell harbors a secret, and when you find Corhyn and Goldmask in Leyndell Corhyn tells you that Goldmask's autism discovered Radagon's name in whatever he's doing and it brought him to a standstill
yeah, the path to uncovering lore reads like a fricking Holders story
>on the fifth night of the second week of the year on a bloodmoon, travel to the nearest bus station and ask the attendant if he knows of a place you can stay the night. He will respond "I have, but only for those who seek the Old Truth." He will open a door for you, you must enter it backwards. If you hear someone whisper "so sad that Steve Jobs died of Ligma" DO NOT respond to them. You will bump into an archaic double door. Peer through the mail slot, and someone will hand you an airplane bottle of Maker's Mark. Drink half of it, then pour the rest on the ground, whispering "for those who have not yet learned to see" in French. If done correctly, a trapdoor will open for you, and you will fall for so long that you go unconscious. When you awake, there will be seven Shiba Inu's standing near you. One will hold a scroll. Pick up this scroll, but don't read it. Exit the room that you're in and walk up a set of stairs, only using the steps that correspond to prime numbers. When you open the door at the top, you'll notice that the scroll has turned into a McDouble. Eat exactly half of it. The half that remains is the "Holder of the End"
>a character tells you a statue of a major character holds a secret
>in the area the statue is in, two characters you've met before mention that major character's name stopping their progress
>find statue of major character, a message directly in front of it says the name of a spell that you can buy from the characters just mentioned
>said spell's description says it dispels all illusions and trickery
>cast spell that reveals illusions in front of statue that you were told hides a secret in order to reveal the secret
It's a bit of a thread but it's nowhere near as complicated as you're pretending it is
What the frick does that have to do with the thing you quoted?
>Turtle Pope tells you that the statue of Radagon in Leyndell harbors a secret
Yes, that's the point, you moron. Turn out the statue DOESN'T hold a secret, because the secret is instead spelled out by a random tooltip close to it. Which is so obviously not the way the game presents fricking everything else that it was clearly not how that was meant to go, but it was so obviously the result of rushed development that they probably hacked that together in rush instead of doing whatever they originally meant to do with the actual statue.
You cast a spell that dispels illusions in front of a statue of Radagon, and that statue physically transforms into a statue of Marika. The opening cutscene shows Marika smashing the elden ring and then immediately after it shows Radagon in the same position in the same spot trying to repair it. You see Marika transform into Radagon in the final boss fight. Melina quotes Marika to you, calling Radagon "mine other self." The developer message is there to spell it out for braindead slackjawed morons like you who couldn't put two and two together even after all of that
Player tooltip. Cope.
Dismissive handwave. Cope.
Are you deliberately missing the point?
I can't imagine why anybody would think Elden Ring is unfinished. From has such a spotless record of totally never delivering unfinished shit with reams of stuff obviously chopped together at the last minute.
What did he mean by this bros?
for me, the Fire Emblem thread was above this one
maybe he clicked the wrong OP
Regarding the Pope Turtle-Radagon-Goldmask questline, I don't get why people would want lore drops explained outright without your own investment or input in actually pursuing these quests and lorebits. It makes the world feel more authentic in actually forcing you to engage with it in pursuing this knowledge instead of just being spoonfed to you on a silver platter in some obligatory cutscene.
The fanboy is pretending that the game wasn't rushed as hell and deliberately missing the fact that "random player message spelling out vital setting details in plain language" was clearly not a result of deliberate planning. Everything else is diversion.
well there's no existing lore in the game in the first place, so that's kind of a problem
Why does Radagon get shit on for marrying Marika, but no one cares that Marika ditched Brofrey for Radagon?
because it was apart of their long term plan to defeat their ultimate tree god
radagon just simply got tired of rennala
As far as everyone else knows Radagon left his wife for Marika for basically no reason, meanwhile Marika calls the shots and laid out the Elden Lord scheme as a challenge to Godfrey/Hoarah Loux and the rest. It's also stated a fair number of times Radagon and Rennala's marriage was a very happy one until he left, and he's apparently still attached enough to her that he reforged the Moonlight Greatsword wedding gift from her into the Elden Ring themed greatsword.
>man there must be some deep lore as to why there's Radagon's red wolf in raya lu-
SYKE
THATS ANOTHER CHANGED CONTENT LMAO
that's not even all
>most characters have different VAs in the Network Test - 4 months before release
>scarlet rot didn't even fricking exist then
>1.0 rot lake has completely different enemies, unique types of Ancestor Followers that are absent from the current game
and more
they probably quickly changed shit like 2-3 months before game released and this is how we got this culsterfrick
The fact that a game nominally about becoming king to supposedly unfrick the setting doesn't have a single plotline about doing anything about the red supercancer is another stone leftover mess.
None of them fix deathblight either, the world is fricked in every scenario
If you were willing to give the game way more credit than it deserves, you could argue that restoring the Rune of Death should fix that one. Although a better presented story would have actually addressed that detail at least once.
It wouldn't fix it because Godwyn's body is still alive, it's his soul that's dead and his half-alive body is still poisoning the erdtree and spreading around the world through its roots
was gonna say it can be handwaved by claining unsealing death enforces the natural order and causes godwyn to die a true death but then I remembered ranni's still alive so frick the lore
They're both only half dead and it's as a result of artificial frickery with the laws of reality so it's unclear what would happen to them
>Radagon's pet wolf is left in Rennala's care
That's changed content that actually makes more sense though.
>my fire spewing chalicehead warpriest pet can't be this cute
>she kept the dog in the divorce
You just know.
Now you made it all weird and I'm uncomfortable.
why that pet wolf is also a regular enemy in underground river areas, liurnia, consecrated snowfield and a boss in hero's grave?
Because more than one of them exist and Radagon tamed one?
so basically you will just keep making headcanon to fill in moronic gaps and justify every single thing, huh
What "moronic gaps" are left by there being big dog enemies in the game
Are you implying it's strange that more than 1 dog of a breed exists?
The problem is that all of the other dogs share the same model which has some israeliteelry that implies the dog was owned by Renala and Radagon.
If they made a model without the israeliteelry, it wouldn't be a problem, but they didn't and just reused the model.
it's that every single dog uses the same magic and animations, they aren't unique at all
The snowfield and the tree are a shelter for refugees and absolutely, positively not just a cheap excuse to populate them with reused enemies because the deadlines were getting tight at the time.
Just like how the Skeletal Star Bullshit Mosquito that supposedly fricked up the eternal cities and is clearly supposed to be unique has a random identical cousin just chilling in a random mine.
>The snowfield and the tree are a shelter for refugees
That is literally their defined purpose in the game and the enemies you find there are explicitly described as persecuted untermensch so I don't know why you're being smarmy about it
wow fromsoft literally created lore to reuse assets
I'm impressed
Every developer in the world reuses assets
every developer creates lore as an excuse to copy paste enemies?
I'm impressed
No, almost none of them do which is why it's nice when one actually does for a change
fromsoft is so based because they're lazy as frick but they make excuses for it
Are you capable of seething any harder or is this you topped out
I'm seething? I'm jsut happy there's finally a dev that can admit they're lazy as frick and people still gargle their balls
Yeah, but they at least don't write bullshit ""lore"" to justify the reuse. Most either don't draw any attention to it or it's just part of the game design
Why would you rather they not give an in universe reason for it? Seems silly to me
If they do it's bad, if they don't it's bad. No, the problem isn't between the keyboard and the chair, why do you ask?
If it's bad either way then quit b***hing about it
Because you draw attention to blatant reuse and if that reuse isn't satisfactory, it becomes a bigger negative than if you hadn't written homosexual lore to explain it.
It's like an 80s Action flick foreshadowing or explaining why a car exploded after a crash.
I'm happy to know that you decide for us all what is and isn't satisfactory
I guess those unexplained Night Cavalry Ringwraith ripoffs are also Untermensch
Miquella and Malenia were part of the Golden Order and they have lordsworn under their command that presumably followed them to the Haligtree when they forsook the GO
Your obsessive whiteknighting for a company with a long and storied history of not finishing thing in time is noted.
ya blew it champ
Your obsession with shitting on that company for every teeny tiny little thing as though each one is some colossal frickup that will surely tank the studio this time is noted
Marika will never be a woman.
I want a dlc of Caelid before it was fricked.
I also want a dlc of the Lands Between being super fricked by Madness and Scarlet Rot.
I want more lore on the Unalloyed Gold.
Did everyone just use gold alloys the entire time since gold itself was scarse?
Is the Haligtree planted over a giant gold deposit or some shit?
Actually it's not the issue of content reuse.
It's WHICH content is re-used.
I'm fine with caves having bears, wolves etc. and enemies that make sense.
But when you have a shitty cave with a fricking Fallingstar Beast that has no business being there, i start to raise my eyebrows.
Hell, fricking Skyrim caves are more immersive and lore accurate than Elden Shit where it's arcadey piece of gamified content with grace at the start and convenient teleport at the end to take you back after you are done with "Piece of Content (TM)" as approved by some suit exec.
Todd is the master of open world, Fromsoft has the closed level design nailed.
I like how Malenia has a move to disengage in order to preserve her posture, except that since in this game bosses recover posture so slowly (do they even recover it at all?) that it doesn't make any difference and she has way better ways to stop your attacks anyway. Not to mention the consequence of a posture break is just a critical hit with milquetoast damage that's lower than a Bleeding proc.
Because she definitely isn't a sloppily reused asset swap of another katana-wielding lady from a different game starring a guy with an artificial arm against whom posture-preserving disengages actually made any fricking sense. FromSoft never cuts content and chops it up together later, that's just crazy talk.
Malenia in the game was actually toned down from how they initially designer her. She originally had two different waterfowl dances and she could also block your attacks (there are youtube videos showing it), I assume there are leftover animations from that
They clearly forgot what game they were making and went full Jap design
She clearly had to be nerfed since she was obviously intended for Wolf to fight, and Wolf actually has counters to her crap. And even then they were sloppy with it. For instance, there's the fact that she can cancel out of a stagger, which is bullshit in Elden Ring, but would be fine in Sekiro since Wolf can also cancel out of attacks to deflect. Waterfowl was obviously just a souped up One Mind you were intended to deflect, none of this "dodge towards the camera then away from it" bullshit.
Her old AI is much more in line with a Sekiro boss than an Elden Ring or Dark Souls boss, yeah. There's videos of the 1.0 version of the game that showcase all her old behavior, and even in the final game the description for "Waterfowl Dance" makes more sense with the now-unused one than it does with the used one.
Yeah the other one was called Malenia's Blade or something like that and she did it along the ground instead of leaping through the air
>get destroyed by malenia on NG+6, have to try for almost an hour to beat her
>fast forward to me doing a normal playthrough rushing to the bosses
>easily beat her first try at lvl 85
Moments when you realized you gotted gud
>he came to these lands at the head of a great golden host
what does this mean
I think it's just Ye Olde Speak for "he came here to liurnia at the head of the golden order's army."
Ahh maybe. I was reading it like he came to the lands between as a whole
The total number of demigods is another thing the game barely touches on. Judging by info from gideon, enia, bernahl, vyke, etc. there were a bunch of demigods out there we don't know, with great runes of their own. Also, each walking mausoleum houses a "soulless demigod", apparently one of many to die on the same night as godwyn. And apparently in the same way, soul but not body. Which also connects to the mausoleum knights, and the eclipse ritual that miquella apparently tried to bring about for godwyn. Jesus christ, that's a lot
There really is a lot of confusing and vague stuff in this game but I love it all
Many of them had children that we don't hear about, we know Godrick is a descendant of Godwyn and Rykard had god knows how many mutant snake bastard children so I'd imagine several of the others also had kids and those kids had kids and most of them just weren't very important
Quick reminder that the game was originally about the great runes. Not just "rune of godrick" bullshit we had
>the rune decay for malenia
>rune of abundance for miquella
>rune of connection for godrick
>miquella quest with miquella credited 5 months before release
>the ability to channel the runes power
Well, for some reason they decided to not use the fricking thing the very game was named after
>bit more than they could chew
>covid fricking every dev out there
>their first open world game
it's a miracle it actually works
The fact that there's no in-game reason to actually gather all the runes is another obvious dead end. Loregays can fanwank all they want about "you're securing your future rule from challengers!" or whether, but it's an obvious mechanic they dropped.
Seriously I thought the game would be about collecting the runes but you can just rush to Leyndell and collect only Morgott's if you want lol
How the frick do you even make the elden ring like that
YOU KIL LTHE SPACE ALIEN
IT'S THE BESY GAM EVEER MADE SHUDDAFUKUP
You can't get into Leyndell without getting two other shards first, you didn't play the game
Ok I actually didn't know that, still dumb the runes aren't a requirement to make the elden ring and instead they put a wall in your way for no reason.
Technically you can enter Leyndell through the teleporter trap in the Weeping Peninsula, but you can't actually reach the capital proper with it.
In lore the reason you need 2 great runes to explore the capital is because the Two Fingers itself is blocking the two ways into the actual city, as it wants you to 'prove yourself worthy' before you can reach the throne.
You get transported there via a trapped chest. Get an invader to raise the lift for you.
The "barrier" is just that, a flimsey door at the service entrance.
Golden Godfrey can be your first boss if you want.
Looks like you didn't play the game enough.
You can't enter the capital without 2 great runes iirc, unless you use some kind of exploit. Maybe activating the elevator on the divine tower, or something. Through normal play, any player should have at least 3 great runes when beating the game
Its just crazy that they couldn't even be bothered to actually give some flavor text to the runes like "this is the rune of decay, it controls the cycle of decay that affects all things" ot something like that. Especially considering that was the original plan for the runes. There is literally nothing to the runes. They are just some random pieces for the elden ring. Except for the rune of the unborn and the rune of the death. THOSE do something. For some reason. Well, originally it was planned that you could channel all the runes through your blade.
Honestly I always got the vibe that he never had a choice. Radagon seems to have been fond of his first wife, he still kept the sword Rennala gave him which is her version of a wedding ring, but he's also defined by his dogmatic loyalty to the Golden Order. When Marika started pushing back on the Greater Will, Radagon was called back to keep an eye on her because he's their loyal dog and he'll do anything they ask no question.
Marika is a dirty homewrecker.
My ex gf once wore my clothes, even my ballcap which i used to wear often and started to speak like me as a goof. I never had been harder. I fricked her there and then. The more she spoke like me and moaned the hotter it was.
I've always had the opinion his "love" was just an act. He worked his way into her heart, made Renala love him so deeply, and left her so brutally, just to destroy Caria. He'd lost 2 wars against her and couldn't win through force, so he won through charm. Truly devious. I think Radagon is legit the biggest Golden Order simp willing to do anything at the behest of his God. Marika saw the damage of the Greater Will preying upon the people of Earth and the Lands and sacrifices everything to free all life from the grasp of the Gods. In the end she succeeded and it was left to us to write a new order. In her eyes, nothing could be worse than being a slave to the divine. In Radagon's nothing could be better.
extremely based take but the queer folk at fanfiction co will not like it.
That's why I prefer Radagon.
Even if the theory that they were the same person is as literal as it sounds, split-personalities aren't exactly new in fiction, anon.
Not even the poopoo peepee ending?
Thats just returning chimerism to the world as it was when the Crucible was dominant. Its just filtered through the Narrator's lens as a "curse". The Knot talismans say Omenhood was once considered a blessing.
if melina really is some part of marika's psyche then she at the very least puts it above the yellow flame
this is the bluepilled lorelet take, you're correct about Radagon being a GO simp though
If Marika and Radagon are the same person then why does Radagion oppose us at the end of the game and try to fix the ring? If Radagon is a different form of Marika or created by her, why did she do that?
They're physically and maybe spiritually the same/connected, but Radagon still exists as an entity distinct from Marika, one who still adheres firmly to the Golden Order and wants to defend it at all costs. We don't know why she did it, but if you figure he was created by Marika, she likely split the aspect of herself that was willing to adhere to the GO off to do it's own thing so she could focus on subverting the GO and setting up her plan to frick over the Greater Will
>she likely split the aspect of herself that was willing to adhere to the GO off to do it's own thing so she could focus on subverting the GO and setting up her plan to frick over the Greater Will
Yeah, this is how I've always taken it and why the Greater Will beckoned Radagon to return and fuse with her.
>Carians were uberchads that made everyone their b***h until Rennala jobbed to Radagon's dick
Frick the golden order, moonchads rise up.
>got into a stalemate in a conflict with the local town guards
ayy lmao
Radagon is my favorite but I'll admit this shit always made me laugh.
Why doesn’t Ranni tell her mom that she’s alive and married before she leaves with you?
Why can’t you take Rennala with you?
Radagon never cared about Rennala, and only wanted access to sorcery and to sabotage a potential threat. His icon even says that he only did it because he felt incomplete, the prospector mask says he stamped down on sorcerers, and the telescope even says that carian astrology was withering into nothing under his reign.
The rune of the unborn might be a mistranslation, it might mean a rune of "a" unborn god, as in singular.